Chebyshov

On 1/21/2016 at 0:55 PM, Ran said:

Chebyshov,

 

Have you tried clearing your cache? If yes, I'll report this to Invision.

Sorry, just saw this. Clearing cache worked great, thanks!

A bit of an oddity (I'm in chrome); the gear wheel button is the hyperlink option. The "center text" button is "quote." The smiley face is "code," the hyperlink brings up the emoticon list, the "left alight" functions as spoiler.

The bullets, numbering, and indent buttons are functioning fine. But then left align is a flag facing right, center align is a flag facing left, and right align is yet another hyperlink button. Sorry if this has been mentioned already.

I took a screenshot of me hovering over the smiley face to show you:

Probably been reported already, but tapatalk notifications aren't working.

Yikes...still, here's hoping that goes well.

Thank you for all the hard work!

Is there any news on restoring the lost content? Basically every single conversation/reread/essay before July is just completely destroyed.

(That is, it just cuts off at the first quote or spoiler code).

I gave it a 2. Aside from the WoS there was literally nothing I could call "good," and a lot I would call outright "bad" (usually meaning illogical). And for the walk I was just super projecting the books onto it anyway.

The show felt this season like the Ember Island Players' performance of the "Boy in the Iceberg".

Same plot, but ridiculous and parody like, with a view into the future that would be completely different.

Actually, the Players gave a truer depiction I think. If nothing else at least their cartoonish characterizations were consistent.

HIS LAST WORD WAS "OLLY"

Throw some kerosene on some medieval fabric and set a match to it. See what happens. I'm guessing they didn't have the technology to make things fire retardant yet.

But they had kerosene.

I did not imagine anything. We know exactly what Sansa's scene was intended to be.

I didn't find the cock merchant joke particularly funny, but if I did it is not in anyway hypocritical. It is a joke: Clearly written to be a joke as well, given the whole "it would be a dwarf sized cock"/"you'd be wrong!" exchange and we sheer absurdity of the line. So take your complaints to D+D. And it clearly won't actually happen to Tyrion. Sansa's scene was a rape scene, clearly written to be such. I can't even comprehend how one can consider the two scenes on equal level of distaste.

So I think I'm done discussing it with you.

Don't even dignify it. The rape of a character vs a joke written about penis sizes for something that didn't happen and we know won't. Like this is probably some of the sickest apology I've seen yet.

@Cheb *wild applause*

Also, what's your tumblr handle? I keep confusing you and Julia on there.

Sorry I kind of vomited that and then left for vacation. I dunno if someone answered you but I'm gotgifsandmusings and she's theculturalvacuum. But our blogs are a bit co-dependent.

Sorry I don't have time to hunt it up, but either Cheb or Julia posted a great rebuttal on tumblr to that article. The gist of it was that when it came to the books, she mostly agreed with her because George doesn't shy away from writing about the effects of abuse on the characters involved. Where the disagreement came was when it came to the show and how D&D just go for the shock value and completely miss the boat wrt to what happens afterward.

It total agreement with the bolded and I've gotten into a few arguments on reddit and other places stating the same sentiment.

edit: found the link to the post. Hopefully she won't mind since both of them have posted these in our forums before.

http://theculturalvacuum.tumblr.com/post/119463846881/all-hopefully-of-the-bad-arguments-about-rape-on

Right, I think articles like that are born of the misunderstanding that we're upset that there was a depiction of rape at all. And like so many people still think that's what this is about. And it's not like we're sitting here thinking "god, we just would rather Jeyne was raped" as if these are two real girls and we care about one but not the other.

The issue with this was that it was a rape without any sense: plot-wise, character-wise. Like...we know that it was all for shock-value because it's exactly what Cogman's quote about it said: "you go with the girl the audience knows." Because that would horrify us.

And that's exactly what the rape-victim's piece is getting at too. Jeyne's rape is handled with sensitivity, not because the depiction of the scene is better for the feint of heart (far, far from it), but because Martin dealt with it intimately. He didn't toss it in so Jeyne could "rise from the ashes" or any hackneyed trope. He dealt with her brutalization with respect to her character and never, ever let us forget the damning consequences.

Jeyne pulled her wolfskins up to her chin. “No. This is some trick. It’s him, it’s my … my lord, my sweet lord, he sent you, this is just some test to make sure that I love him. I do, I do, I love him more than anything.” A tear ran down her cheek. “Tell him, you tell him. I’ll do what he wants … whatever he wants … with him or … or with the dog or … please … he doesn’t need to cut my feet off, I won’t try to run away, not ever, I’ll give him sons, I swear it, I swear it …”

Rowan whistled softly. “Gods curse the man.”

But again, Sansa isn't Jeyne. You can't blithely swap Girl A for Girl B and act as if it's going to have the same point or result. It utterly, utterly destroys the narrative. And frankly the fact that the writers thought these two women would be interchangeable and "service the plot" in the same way? That's outright offensive.

Then there's the major, major issues about the lack of sense this entire set-up had. No one has yet to explain how Sansa marrying Ramsay is a good idea. Because it isn't. Because when you're the "last remaining Stark" whose "maidenhood" is of value, marrying the family that slaughtered yours and "giving up" your "virginity"...which does inherently come with the expectation of children...that does absolutely nothing to strengthen your position.

"Make him yours." Why? So she can rule Winterfell in the name of the Boltons? Fuck, she wasn't even marrying Roose to gain a position of power.

And the fact is, the writers sat down and thought to themselves "we think it will be better [for Ramsay, for Theon] to have Sansa be the girl getting raped" without bothering to even think of a logical reason why this would come to pass.

This idiotic idea that we should "wait and see" where it goes...what, because they've been so fucking respectful to Sansa's character? When we know the entire set-up was for truly gratuitous (aka uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted) reasons, then the aftermath is irredeemable.

Also, what are our best case scenarios here? Sansa will rise harder and stronger from this? Because her abuse in King's Landing wasn't for that exact purpose, and there's no quote about her skin hardening or anything as she's reflecting on her time there. And the suggestion that she needs a raping to become tougher or to want revenge against the Boltons is just outright sexist.

I think the funniest part (if there's any humor to be drawn from this at all) to me is that they think they're doing Theon's storyline a service here by giving us "buy-in" with someone we care about, when this undercuts his character too. Of course he'd want to save Sansa, the girl he had a crush on growing up. And of course there's other people around who would want to help Sansa. She's "worth" saving because she's a Stark. Jeyne wasn't, which was the whole point. And a point that D&D apparently agreed with too.

Assholes.

This post reminds me of tweet I saw yesterday............in relation to other story telling matter, I believe. But, it's appropriate for the manner in which D&D have put Sansa in Jeyne's place in service to Theon and even Ramsey's story. Every once in awhile, one can find a gem on twitter.

Once again, the plot should fit the character, the character shouldn't have to bend like Gumby to fit the plot. #Writing101

this is actually perfect for...every plot this year.

The only potential problem with a Sansa marriage with Boltons is that the Boltons or their loyalist may survive the Sansa marriage and decide to retaliate by marrying off Sansa to LF or Robert Arryn, potentially causing mass destruction in the Vale. But, given the Bolton's weakened state, they are not likely to survive Sansa's marriage to them. Therefore, Sansa's marriage to the Boltons was a completely rational action, as the risk of it backfiring were very small.

I'm crying :rofl:

I'm just going to quote Julia Martell's wonderful response to that raw article from here:

They’re doing it again….

I’m almost afraid to write this because people tend to miss the point when you say things like this and it IS a fairly nuanced thing but…

I agree with most of this article. I would agree with the VAST majority of it IF this was an article about A Song of Ice and Fire. I have in the past, defended the inclusion of depiction (DEPICTION) of violence, including sexual violence against women (and men) in the series specifically because I think that, in the vast majority of cases, Martin does not depict it gratuitously, but to a clear narrative and thematic purpose. A purpose that is, in my deeply considered opinion, ultimately both feminist and anti-violent.

I don’t think Westeros should be a squeaky clean, wonderful place for the same reason I don’t think you should censor the n-word out of Tom Sawyer. Pretending these things never happen, never did happen, or never could happen does not challenge rape culture, or patriarchy, or racism or any of the other things in society I wish could be better, it just ignores them. And what, I ask you, does that accomplish?

One of the main functions of all literature, and especially Speculative Fiction, is to make the reader/watcher just detached enough from her own context to be able to critically examine it, and it doing so, examine her own values and assumptions. And, to be perfectly honest, the hours I’ve spend reflecting on Cersei’s hatred for her own womanhood, or on how Catelyn’s constantly stops just short of actually challenging the patriarchal role of idealized motherhood she’s determined to live up, or Sam’s inability to recognize his own strength because he fails to conform to what a man “should” be, or Arianne’s determination to not be infantalized, have taught me more about feminism than all Woman’s Studies classes I’ve ever taken.

So no, I’m not saying that a woman should never be a victim in a work of fiction, that is not my objection to last Sunday’s scene. I object to it because it WAS gratuitous. I object to it because we’re not talking about A Song of Ice and Fire, we are talking about Game of Thrones.

I object to paragraphs like this:

No. That is not what Game of Thrones does. That is what George RR Martin did. Twenty years ago in the case of Ned. Why is GoT getting credit for it when they bother to stick to the source material? Because it’s increasingly becoming an exception, in any case. Over the past four seasons, at least, this “adaptation” has consistently contorted and twisted the source material and shoved back in the very cliches and contrivances than Mr. Martin has worked so hard to avoid. (and yeah, I’m looking at you Robblisa!) And poor Mr. Martin gets the blame when they diverge. Because it interesting to note that they have just done the one thing he says he will never do: the on-screen rape of a POV character. And why will he never do it? Because it’s tasteless.
What happened on Sunday was not Mr. Martin’s doing. The people behind Game of Thrones BENT OVER BACKWARD specifically to create a situation where Sansa Stark could be raped. And sure, within the context of the dumbass situation they created, it makes sense that Ramsay would act the way he did, but they do not get a free pass for created the situation. And this is not the first time in the series, not even the first time this season, they have injected problematic sex into the story that wasn’t there in the source material without any overwhelming need to do so.

If they think Sansa’s aFfC arc is so horrible, there are other things she could have done this season, there are even other roles she could have fulfilled in Winterfell if it was so essential that she go there. They CHOSE this one. And they DID NOT have to.

And that’s why the excuse that “Martin did it to Jeyne Poole” just doesn’t fly. Make no mistake, they wanted this to happen. These are people who are willing to fight with the Croatian government to be able to make Cersei walk naked through the streets, but not to spend the extra few hours in the writers’s room to actually come up with a well-written way of getting her there.

Oh god, I'm still not ready to talk about Dorne. Really not ready.

I'll try and say something nice: I thought Meereen was slightly better this episode. It was morally ambiguous and Dany listened to council.

Quick poll: Whose plotline was most butchered this episode?

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got it.

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A Season 5 casting leak shows that the following characters will appear next year:

• Prince Doran Martell – Doran is described as the major new player this year, appearing in multiple episodes. The fifty-something prince uses a wheelchair, is reclusive and rules wisely. It appears the show is looking to continue the trend it started with Pedro Pascal, and cast Latino actors for the Martell clan.
• Prince Trystane Martell – Trystane, the handsome fiance of Princess Myrcella, is being aged up to 18.
• Areo Hotah - Doran’s personal bodyguard will appear throughout the season, assisting the prince with his duties. The show is particularly looking for a black actor to fill the role.

The Sand Snakes, Oberyn Martell’s bastard daughters (with ages ranging 18-25):

• Obara Sand – The eldest and most athletic Sand Snake will be having a major fight scene with a series regular character- not one who crosses her path in the books. This is an interesting change.
• Nymeria Sand – Nymeria is described as “mixed race,” with her father being the fairer Oberyn and her mother being darker skinned. The second oldest of these Sand Snakes, she’s beautiful, emotional and very strong.
• Tyene Sand - The youngest of the Sand Snakes that we meet uses her wits and seductive powers, and is less of a physical fighter than the other Sand Snakes. She is just as deadly as her sisters, however, but her weapon is poison.

• High Sparrow - The books’ pious head of a religious movement will be appearing in several episodes in season 5.
• Septa Unella – The show is looking for a character actress to play the imposing and unrelenting septa who spends a lot of time with a major series character next year.
• Maggy the Frog- A fortune teller in A Feast for Crows, she’ll be in one episode next year.
• Lollys Stokeworth – Just last week in “Mockingbird,” Bronn announced his intention to marry Lollys, whom Tyrion considers “dimwitted.” It looks like the sellsword will still be around next year.
• Yezzan - A sleazy Meereenese slave owner.
• The Waif – The strange child from the books that Arya encounters will likely be played by an older actress, one in her later teens, and we understand the show is specifically looking for a woman of East Asian descent for the part.

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I give it a 7, though I'm a harsh grader.

-1 point for the laughable (literally) wight attack

-1 point for BR's design...he's now my mental image for Ser Grandfather

-1 point for Tyrion killing out of self-defense (plus a few smaller nitpicks around this story line)

-1 point for no LS

+1 point for Brienne vs. the Hound...passed all my expectations, so it counts as extra credit.

Sophie Turner adopting Lady is always going to be the cutest sidenote to come out of production of this series.

But this is up there too. :)

Oh agreed http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ZBMj6uhs--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18xhyiknurz56jpg.jpg

There's really no appropriate place to post this, but Sam and Gilly seem to be dating IRL. I think my brain exploded from the cute: http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/152015/Game-Of-Thrones-Are-Gilly-And-Samwell-Dating-In-Real-Life

So, it seems that Tormund will be the one to die instead of Rattleshirt...hope I'm wrong

Who's going to become the titular leader of the Wildlings before Jon lets them through the Wall then?

In the Entertainment Weekly recap, it was said that Ollie should have gone all Oberyn on Ygritte "This is for my parents! You killed them, you ate them!"

WHO GAVE THE ORDER?!

No idea. In the Wyman casting thread some guy came in and said that In an interview Cogman said he's being replaced by Umbers...then failed to provide any kind of link. Could be a total falsehood...but with Osha going out of her way to mention taking Rickon to the Umbers...and with how they're condensing things to give Sam and Gilly more smoochie smooch...sticking to the seven season plan would really leave no room for the Manderly's.

Well, I'll withhold concern until more casting details are leaked. But if they do end up doing this, then I guess it shouldn't be that surprising. GreatJon is still alive, so we at least would have a vaguely familiar face. And they did mush the Vale Lords together into 3 people. But you'd think they'd keep the most important one? Manderly had such a distinct personality, and all the White Harbor stuff was really cool. I'm hoping the person is wrong, but only time will tell.

Will have to be an Umber since people in casting are saying Cogman confirmed Umbers replacing Manderly.

Source? I know he's given a slew of podcast interviews, but do you know where this came from?

I wouldn't say "flat". Rather "incomplete". It's not a bug, it's a feature, that's how the penultimate episode is supposed to be. Ideally, to make you jump from your chair and angrily shout "where is my fucking conclusion?!" at the screen, and impatiently wait whole week for the finale.

All the other penultimates had some sort of resolution, as far as episodic narrative goes. We find out the sword swings through Ned's neck. We see Tywin & the Tyrells save the day. We see Robb, Talisa, and Cat murdered. We jump out of our seats because it's like, "well what happens next!?" Not because the story is incomplete.