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That's awful!

Gilly in Moles town- This seems to point to no Mance's baby. It seems they are trying to set up a reason to send Gilly south. I wonder if this means no Val either?

I'm assuming no Val. Seems a bit late in the game for her to be introduced, and I'm not sure she really serves much function anyway, especially if Baby Mance is cut.

sansa stark is turning into a fine young woman

Petyr? Is that you?

So was anyone else getting the vibe that Tywin sanctioned the Joffrey hit besides me? Or is that silly?

Well Tyrion even posited it...my guess is he might have maybe suspected something was being plotted, but didn't bother to do anything at most. I don't see him taking an active role in it.

he left it on the railing, didn't he? sansa probably still has it, right? i mean, isn't that the "tool" everyone is speculating sansa will use to do him in?.

I thought he threw it off, on top of Dontos's body

Oh also we pretty much got confirmation it was the QoT who did the actual poisoning, yeah? Even though the framing made no sense for it

I kept waiting for Loras to show up in that orgy. Waited in vain.

However, the most important development of this episode is, obviously, that DOLOROUS EDD LIVES. Edd is back and D&D avoid making a grievous continuity error in their adaptation. Whew.

Kit is stepping up big time so far this season. Easily the most improved thus far, or maybe it's just that the script is getting better. I'm kinda digging Thorne and Snow skirting close to actually seeing Eye To Eye. Next Week Preview seems to suggest this will be undone soon enough, however.

Davos getting the Iron Bank idea was a bit too much "Eureka!" for me, but Liam Cunningham is such a good Davos that I'll look the other way. Also, there is no such thing as Too Much Shireen.

Daario? Whatever. Daario's Naked Lady Daggers? HELL YES BEST PROP EVER (at least until Mace's special chair shows up next year). That's how you squash a jabronie. Also, Emilia Clarke is at her best when she's yelling at people in a fake language.

Tywin almost looked like a normal loving human grandfather there for a minute or two. And I love the touch of Jaime asking "how are you?" seeing Tommen as a person and not just as the next king. Maybe even as a son...? We'll see.

Guess Sansa won't have Chekov's accessory this go-around. Littlefinger's accent is weird almost to the point of distracting me. However, we got the "a bag of gold buys silence for a while, a crossbow bolt buys it forever" line, and while it's not a direct translation from the book, at least it's there. And LF is bringin' the creepin' on Sansa, as he should.

More thoughts to follow as they leak back to me.

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Also Shireen is my new favorite show character.

Also upset over the Jamie rape scene. Just doesn't make sense at all. I'm wondering if the show's given up on Benjen's storyline or if this means he for sure isn't Coldhands?

If he is or isn't, I think the show just decided it isn't impactful or influential in enough in the story to devote screen time to it. I usually trust their decisions, but it's a shame, because I rather like CH

I'm not pleased with the Jaime rape scene. Otherwise pretty solid. I'm digging the new Tommen oddly. Also this is confirmation of no Coldhands? Looks like the NW is going to take care of Dirk instead.

Is it because she is really distressed for losing a second husband? Could it be that she was forced to do it, against her own will?

Maybe, but that coupled with the interview previously posted here where Natalie says that Marg is "genuinely surprised" when Joff starts to show signs of discomfort make me think it was the QoT behind her back.

It's strange. The only still where the cup is missing does not show up in the version I am watching. I am talking about the one where Margaery has her hands covering her mouth, right after Joffrey cuts the cake. I see basically the same still, but cut in half, where the cutting point is approximately where the cup should be. Or am I missing something? Regardless, it is hard to believe that QoT had the opportunity to poison the wine when there was a soldier just next to the cup. I bet in Marg.

EDIT: In the frame immediately after, I can see the cup on top of the table, next to the other glass of wine.

I 100% agree if we go on the show alone. But this interview with Natalie Dormer that came out yesterday (mild season 4 spoilers) convinced me that it's supposed to be the QoT who did the deed, even if the framing makes that seem unlikely: http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/04/18/game-of-thrones-natalie-dormer-margaery/

There is a fail of the director episode or some kind of magic because the cup is disappear for a moment.

Here we can see where the cup will be placing. We have two plates, one with yellow fruits (apricots?) and one with some mixed dried fruits. There is a sword sheath too.

Joffrey's taking the sword, and we see other stuff on the kings table. Margaery cup with wine, and some big, red pillow.

Margaery trying put off the cup between two plates with fruits.

Now we going to cut the pie. We see red pillow, Margaery cup, two plates... and where is the cup?

One second later we see whole kings table. Still no cup.

Tyrion is looking for. Where it is?

Here it is.Magic cup. Near plate with dried fruits, and sword sheath. Or maybe on the another table, just perspective lying?

On this table?

Where he found it?

Marg clearly puts it on her table at the far end, a good 10 feet from Olenna. The shot of Olenna looking at it is sneaky perspective.

Logically, Marg would have been the one to do it, because she was the only one touching the cup in between the wine being dumped on Tyrion's head and Joff drinking again (other than Tyrion, who we know is innocent). There was also a guard right there. However, I'm thinking there might have been a continuity error, and they'll have Olenna being the one doing it, based purely on the interviews we've seen.

It doesn't make a huge difference: a Tyrell woman did this. But it is frustrating that after several rewatches there's nothing conclusive.

Exactly! I'm not a Sansa hater. I just hope she eventually stops being a pawn, and it would be very poetic if she was the one who ended up killing LIttefinger.

You may get what you want...

(Storm of Swords Book spoiler)

"I dreamt of a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair, venom dripping from their fangs. And later I dreamt that maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow."

I agree. I think Margaery was a participant, but a somewhat reluctant one.

This is what I was thinking too, and that she did the physical poisoning, but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phJb60y5wlE

skip to 3:26 "Margery genuinely doesn't realize what's happening when Joffrey starts to show signs of being uncomfortable." That, coupled with the line from the promo is now making me think it was all Olenna, which is sad, because I like the idea of Marg being in on it.

show this to arianne :)

anyone know who will play arianne and nym BTW ?

I doubt we'll see them this season, so they won't be cast until pre-production for S5.

I was going back and fourth on whether they were going to follow the books with Shae's death. Based on an interview Peter Dinklage gave along with what happened in the first episode I for sure thought they would be faithful to the books. However, after the breakup scene in last week's episode I didn't know what to think. But after watching this trailer I believe they will be absolutely faithful to that scene.

I think they may still be faithful to the books, but just try to give us a reason for Shae's betrayal rather than "she's an opportunistic whore," because Show!Shae has been painted so differently.

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Good points, though Sansa's "dodgy memory" is about events months after they occur, not while it's happening, so I'd assume her innocence. In the books it is fairly likely to be Willas or his wife that did the physical poisoning (Book!Olenna is too short to slip something into the chalice without it being noticeable), but in the show, if it's not Olenna who actually did it, it has to be Marg. Obviously it was Olenna's plan, but I'm really confused by Margery's line in the 4x03 promo, so we'll probably have to wait until then to get some closure.

I wonder in the show if we even ever see Aimee Richardson again?

May drop that story line altogether.

If she comes back another show 'kid' who looks like an adult.

I really hope we'll see her. It'd be funny if her vine reaction was actually meant to be foreshadow the Queenmaker plot. But given how much Arya and Bran are aging, I don't see any reason to exclude Myrcella because of appearance. And I rather like Aimee in the role.

I'm assuming a lot of Dorne may be on the chopping block for next season, but what happens to Myrcella seems fairly important.

Interesting screen shots. Yeah, I tried to get a closer look when I re-watched the episode. Olenna takes the gem from the necklace almost 20 minutes before he actually dies. No wonder the unsullied have no idea what is going on....my husband thinks they poisoned the pie. I know what happens and still I don't see anything definitive that points to them poisoning the wine. It must happen off camera.

That's my thought too. But interesting note on this subject...after Olenna "plinks" it in front of Margery, the next shot is Margery leaning her elbow on the table looking "bored" at the singers (she's too calculating to ever do that without reason), and then when she tells Joff to "make the announcement," one of her hands is below the table. My guess is that's when she swept the gem out of sight.

Unless the QoT and Marg decide to give us a play-by-play recap next episode, we may never know, but the framing is fascinating and I now can't get through that scene without watching Tyrell hands.

It seems like Qyburn all ready has some influence over her, he and Pycelle hate each other, so maybe he has had an effect on how she views Pycelle.

That's plausible. Also Show!Pycelle is a super creeper, so it could be that.

I re-watched and it appears you're right about the goblet placement! The only thing I can think of now is after Olenna tinkers with Sansa's necklace you hear that drop as she is walking across the King's table. This would be an opportune time to slip the poison. If that's not the case I would think someone else must be involved.

I was thinking that too! But the "plink" seems to be when she's in front of Marg, and Joff dumps his wine out on Tyrion's head afterwards. It's possible it's slower moving poison (a deviation from the book), but I think it's likelier the poison goes in the cup around the time of the cake cutting. So Marg could have just done it with some good slight-of-hand, or maybe Olenna does it when the camera isn't focused on her (when he slashes the sword).

It's also possible we're completely overanalyzing...maybe there's a different shot or angle that didn't make the final edits. But yeah, just thought I'd add that screenshot to muddy the waters ;)

EDIT:

You can see Marg's hands with the goblet (as she's placing it down) are blocked by Joff for a few frames here: http://i.imgur.com/XxwPm9B.png?1

And then Marg is the one pointing Tyrion towards the cup after the cake cutting, here: http://i.imgur.com/uKhSTQs.png?1

This is absolutely not the case. After Joffrey drinks the wine that Tyrion pours him, the pie comes and Joffrey gives his goblet to Margery so he can grab his sword and cut the pigeon pie. Margery puts the goblet on the table in front of Queen of Thorns. That's where the goblet is when Joffrey cuts the pie. The next time he drinks from the goblet he dies.

See here: http://imgur.com/a/2DtPH

Not so. Marg puts the goblet down on her table, a good few feet away from Olenna.

http://i.imgur.com/Cy29QDF.png

And when Marg takes Joff's goblet for him to cut the pie, we see that her hands are clearly empty. So it's a real head-scratcher.

They are already giving him sweet sleep prior to the trip down from the Eyrie. The maester is worried that he has had too many doses already. I doubt that Sansa will be responsible for his death, but I think she'll know about LF's role, especially since she's heard the maester voice his concerns.

Agreed. It will be a moral dilemma for her, especially given how much she stands to gain from his death.

I have to say I love the way Tyrion attempting to drive Shae off has been described: he White Fanged Shae, he Nymeriaed Shae, he pulled a Harry and the Hendersons on Shae, etc. etc. :D

Can't say I'm too fussed about Dontos' vastly reduced role. I never liked him, and there are way too many creepy old men populating Sansa's arc as it is.

I'm fine with him being reduced, but his little head just popping out of the bushes to grab Sansa at the end there made me laugh a little, which I don't think was their intent.

If they'd shown his death before Joffrey's the non readers would have twigged that Joffrey would die soon because of how Stannis' named them when burning the leeches last year.

Good point. Also people could just gloss over that line as them mocking Greyjoys out on their islands. I didn't notice it at all, truthfully, until I read about it in this forum.

I just don't think that Lena was up to the acting task of the level of Book Cersei's complete emotional meltdown, I can't see why else they wouldn't have done it, as it was, a true turning point for her, where she sheds one more level of her relationship to objective reality in favor of her own version of truth.

I think you're doing Lena a disservice. She was practically frothing at the mouth at the end of the last episode. I think we'll have to wait and see, but I have faith in her.