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  1. Just checking: did you mean we were pushed towards a Lannister murder here? I mean, that's true. That's how red herrings work. But the pov characters still aren't 100% about it, which allows for a bit of speculation. Whenever the R+L romance is brought up, no one challenges it. I don't follow... aren't a lot of the mysteries in this series about something that occurred in the past? We could have gotten Ned's memories of Lyanna before he died, as we did for her (probable) death in childbirth. We could have had someone ask Ned or some other witness about it. Even a character just wondering about the relationship between R and L would be something. When I said explicit clues, I didn't mean they had to be definite or obvious. I just think that the clues and hints for the series' other mysteries consist of more than just parallels between characters that have some superficial similarities. I'd say Jon's father isn't a mystery so much as it is a plot twist, since no one in-universe questions that. And it doesn't really fit your "false dilemma" pattern either, as the choices are Ned or Ned.
  2. Lysa being the murderer was a complete surprise to me too, but I also viewed the mystery as an open one because of the way it's presented - as a question. We are constantly asked to think about who Jon's Arryn's killer is because the pov character(s) ask this. Nobody ever wonders if R and L were in love or not. And, as I said, the hints that the Lannisters may not the culprits are explicit and literal. Cersei denies her involvement with Jon Arryn's death, even though she freely admits to having a hand in Robert's, and we knew early on that Tyrion wasn't involved because we're in his head. There's no need for parallels. In fact, that's probably my biggest issue with your theory. I might be more convinced if you could point to more mysteries that follow the pattern you think R+L is following - i.e. ones that rely solely on symbolism and character parallels to hint at the true story.
  3. I'm not sure I consider the relationship between Lyanna and Rheagar a mystery... at least, not in the way Jon Arryn's death or Catspaw are. For those, we are given some explicit reason to doubt the red herring, whereas R+L is consistently framed as a romantic relationship (the abduction version is shot down as soon as it's presented). As I see it, R+L is just supporting material for the actual mystery: "who is Jon's mother?"
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    Why did George give daenerys everything

    Bolded part is the point. She wouldn't have done any of the things she did had she had only dragons but no wit. She wouldn't even have dragons to begin with. The dragons are nothing if the person who possesses them don't know how to use them. I think anybody can see from your previous posts, as collected by the above poster, that you've been very dismissive of Dany's personal qualities this whole time, refusing to credit Dany for Yunkaii or even anything she'd done before she even had dragons. Even now, you can't bring yourself to say that it's Dany's wisdom and creativity in her use of the dragons that allowed her to achieve her goals.
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    Why did George give daenerys everything

    Dany wouldn't have hatched dragons if it weren't for her bravery and trust in her intuition, so by your logic, everything she's achieved with dragons should be attributed to her own qualities. Heck, why don't we go even further back? Dany wouldn't be alive without Willem Darry - let's credit him for freeing slaves and bring back dragons. You're still avoiding my question. Victarian didn't conquer SB. He's irrelevant. Maybe you're misunderstanding me, so let me be even more specific. Say Dany were the opposite of how she usually is - she'd be foolish, cowardly, helpless, mean, and have no thought of her own. How would opposite!Dany handle Drogo? How would she free the Unsullied? How would she defeat Yunkai and free it's slaves? Would Jorah and Barristan still be by her side? I assume this is referring to me, which is bullshit and you know it. I've said at least twice that I don't discount her dragons. What I've been arguing against is you refusing to acknowledge that it's how Dany's used her dragons that has gotten her to where she is.
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    Why did George give daenerys everything

    Yeah but George wanted three dragons hatched I do count it as a bit lazy writing-wise for Dany to just get gifted dragon eggs, so I can't entirely justify it. That said, I still don't think it's not an ooc move for Illyrio. Sometimes I think GRRM's original plan of having Dany just randomly stumbling across the eggs would have worked better, because you could just chalk it up to magic! or destiny! As for Aegon, I don't think dragon eggs would have done anything for him. Clearly, it's not something people only associate Targs with having. And Illyrio would have covered any expenses directly. No, I agree with those. It's some of the love/lust examples I don't think fit. As an aside, I think you could stick Daario into some of your super- categories. He's the personification of what your talking about. Everything he does is ott and ridiculous. Well, you can enjoy something while still being critical. Nothing is perfect. I get your point that authorial intent is not always clear. But I said what did because, based on what you said, you're creating interpretations because you find the explicit or more obvious reasons behind the characters actions unrealistic. It seems like authorial intent is eschewed for a more consistent or realistic narrative. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with this and everyone does it, but if you're going to argue about it, at least make sure there's good supporting evidence and that it doesn't contradict the text.
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    If Robb had declared for Stannis, would he have dismissed Melisandre?

    Well, he wouldn't have been happy with her idea to burn the weirwood trees. So maybe not dismissal, but the Northmen wouldn't like or trust her, and the alliance would fracture at some point.
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    Why did George give daenerys everything

    I guess I missed the scenes where Drogon lead everyone across the RW and planned the attack on Yunkai... And evidently, Dany "mounting" Drogo and acclimatising to Dothraki customs were meaningless page fillers because Drogo was going to respect his wife eventually anyway. ETA: You didn't answer my question. Would Dany have gotten to where she is with dragons but no intelligence and bravery?
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    Why did nobody try to curb Joffrey?

    I guess that is what I'm saying. That cat thing is pretty gruesome.
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    Primetime Emmy Awards 2018

    Those wins for Rhys and The Americans were waaaay overdue. It's a crime that Keri Russell never got a single Emmy for the show.
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    Why did nobody try to curb Joffrey?

    Would it have worked? I get the sense that Joffrey would have been a cruel little shit regardless of his upbringing - he might have just been better at hiding had he been disciplined. In Robert's case it does, because it's an indication of his no-responsibilities lifestyle.
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    Why did George give daenerys everything

    Lead her people across the Red Waste, made Drogo respect her, capturing Yunkaii. What would she achieve if she had dragons but no intelligence or bravery?
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    Would you figure out where is Sansa if Sansa POV chapters aren't given?

    No, I probably would have guessed she ended up in Essos somehow. Was there any foreshawdowing that she'd end up in the Vale?
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    Why did George give daenerys everything

    I dunno... does that count? I mean, Lyanna/Rhaegar/Robert invoked Helen of Troy because it was, on the surface, about two powerful dudes going to war for a woman. Neither Robert or Jaime are really fighting for Cersei. It's not even a love triangle, really. ETA: Oh wait, are you thinking of the "war for Cersei's cunt" line? lol
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    Why did George give daenerys everything

    I never claimed her dragons had nothing to do with her achievements. My objection was to your continued insistence that it was all due to her dragons.
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