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  1. 18 hours ago, J. Stargaryen said:

    Correct. This is actually an important point in recognizing this scene as evidence that Jon's name is Aegon. Many, many people question whether it is Elia and her son or Lyanna and hers. In fact, someone asked GRRM and he confirmed that it is indeed Elia and her Aegon. This is because Rhaegar talks about the song of ice and fire and the PtwP, which sound a lot more like Jon Snow, right?

    Is anyone here saying otherwise?

    I thought you were. To me it doesn't make sense to name your children Rhaenys, Aegon and...Aegon.

    18 hours ago, J. Stargaryen said:

    He called his daughter Rhaenys and talked about his children as the (new) three heads of the dragon. Aegon, Visenya, and Rhaenys were the original THotD. He had clearly put a lot of thought into the child's destiny, so seems more likely than not that he had also considered the name of that child.

    For Lyanna's purposes though, it doesn't matter whether it was spontaneous on Rhaegar's part or not. What she knows, at the least, is that Aegon is the name Rhaegar chose for his son and heir. So, when considering a Targaryen name for her male child, she has a limited amount of input from Rhaegar. She knows that Aegon was his first choice for his son and heir.

    If he was following the original names why wasn't the first child named Visenya? The fact he didn't shows that he likely didn't like the name, but also that he was not following their names. It isn't something he considered important to the prophecy.

    As for Lyanna choosing the name, well I guess that isn't quite as silly as Aegon choosing it. You at least have an argument (she thinks that is what Rhaegar would have wanted) although I think it is highly speculative. At this stage she knows Rhaeagr was wrong about the prophecy (if she even knew) and if she has any kind of common sense she would not try to foster a Targaryen name upon the child she is begging her brother to hide and raise. It's also kind of creepy to pick a name of a child of your husbands ex or other wife, especially when that child was just murdered.

  2. 4 minutes ago, Brianstorm said:

    still it adds to Ned's story that Jon can be said to be named for Arryn as well as Connington. I'm assuming Lyanna or Rhaegar told him his "true" name first

    I think this has a chance to play into the story, but only from Connington's perspective. Connington may go all nostalgic if he hears that Jon is Rhaegar's child and believes the child was named after himself.

  3. I think something that is important when discussing the scene in tHotU, this was clearly the real Aegon, as in Rhaegar's second born child.


    Viserys, was her first thought the next time she paused, but a second glance told her otherwise. The man had her brother's hair, but he was taller, and his eyes were a dark indigo rather than lilac. "Aegon," he said to a woman nursing a newborn babe in a great wooden bed. "What better name for a king?"
    "Will you make a song for him?" the woman asked.
    "He has a song," the man replied. "He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire." He looked up when he said it and his eyes met Dany's, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door. "There must be one more," he said, though whether he was speaking to her or the woman in the bed she could not say. "The dragon has three heads." He went to the window seat, picked up a harp, and ran his fingers lightly over its silvery strings. Sweet sadness filled the room as man and wife and babe faded like the morning mist, only the music lingering behind to speed her on her way.

    You can tell by the comments "there must be one more", and "the dragon has three heads". These make no sense if you are arguing the child is Jon.

    Also, something more ambiguous, the way he declares the name Aegon is as if he has just decided it on the spot, not predetermined, nor particularly important to the prophecy. Also keep in mind Rhaegar left the tower of joy well before Robert smashed him on the trident. At that time he fully intended to win the war and try to put the realm to right (from the conversation he had with Jaime before the trident).

  4. Oh I'm sure house Frey will get what's coming to them. Not sure whether it will be Arya, Sansa, Jon, Lady Stoneheart, Nymeria or someone else entirely who delivers it. But they will get their just rewards.


    On 6/9/2019 at 6:10 AM, LadyOfCastamere said:

    Many think that the Sun's son is regarding to Quentyn, but he has never been an actual issue to Dany (plus she herself thinks that it is Quentyn who is meant). Call me ignorant, but this seemed too easy. Now, if not Quentyn, who else could this be?

    Personally I think Quentyn is a dead ringer for the Sun's son. He released 2 of her dragons so I would hardly call that never being an issue for her. Furthermore his death is likely to create an obstacle for her acquiring the Dornish loyalty (although I still think she will manage it). He also fits into the sun rising in the west and setting in the east prophecy, I think it would be very misleading for George to use the Dornish sun/son for two different people like this.


    a) The most popular idea is that the 'mummer' is Varys (he spend a lot of time with mummers in his youth and learned their ways) and that he is trying to disguise a FALSE Dragon, aka a non-Targaryen boy (Young Griff) as Aegon, the son of Rhaegar. But how does this correspond with the sun's son, where is the connection between Aegon and Trystane/Quentyn? My main reason for rejecting this theory is that even I connected these 2 dots of 'false dragon' and 'Aegon' and this is a 99.99% reason for me to believe it's wrong. I always fall for red herrings and GRRM is outsmarting me all the time, so in conclusion, I do believe there must be something else/more to this

    I believe "The mummers dragon" is Aegon. I don't think there necessarily has to be a "mummer". He is simply someone pretending to be a Targaryen.

    The two tie together strongly, because Quentyn's death is a catalyst for Aegon to possibly win the support of Dorne (but I think he will fail on that in the long term.)

    1. Dany's anti-slavery campaigns in Slaver Bay - Yes
    2. Arya murdering people in Riverlands and Braavos - Some of them
    3. Sansa scheming with LF against Robert Arryn - No although I don't think she has done anything particularly unethical yet.
    4. Theon joining Ironborns' Northern campaign - No although I understand the agonising decision behind it.
    5. Stannis declaring himself king after Robert Baratheon's death - Yes but a lot of the additional stuff no.
    6. Renly declaring himself king - No, he should have supported Ned.
    7. Jon Snow ruling as LC of NW - Yes 100%
    8. What Varys and Illyrio plan - Yes, from their moral perspective and pov.
    9. Tyrion killing his father - Yes, Tywin deserved it.
    10. Red Wedding - No, although again I understand how it reached that point.

    1. Exodus theory says the people of Westeros will flee to Essos when winter comes.  It doesn't say all of them.  The theory as I understand it says the survivors will escape to Essos.   0% (I don't think there will be a mass exodus, sure a few people will likely go)
    2. Craster is a Stark says he is descended from a Stark.  25% (I think it's plausible but doubt the story will go into it)
    3. Rhaegar was disinherited by King Aerys. 0% (even if it happened I doubt we will get a reveal)
    4. Daenerys will go to Asshai 50% (Not sure there is time but it was prophesied)
    5. Quaithe is a Farman 0% (lower than 12.5% anyway, I think it more likely she is Shiera, Farman didn't seem to have any magical capability iirc)
    6. Lemore is Ashara 0% (don't like the theory at all, description doesn't get close to matching)
    7. Daenerys will sail east to get to Westeros 0% (Seems a ridiculous way of moving a large army)
    8. Khal Drogo's soul is in Drogon 50% (quite possible, not sure how we will get that revealed though)
    9. Jon's soul is in Ghost 75% (I think that it very likely he has warged ghost at the end of Dance, higher than 75%)
    10. Rhaego is still alive 0% (not possible unless this is another soul question)

  6. On 6/5/2019 at 4:53 AM, oggy1324 said:

    I think so too!!

    Just be aware that although I still agree with the first part of what I said, I actually changed my mind on the second part during this thread. I was basing it on a misremembered quote...


    Every morning they had trained together, since they were big enough to walk; Snow and Stark, spinning and slashing about the wards of Winterfell, shouting and laughing, sometimes crying when there was no one else to see. They were not little boys when they fought, but knights and mighty heroes. "I'm Prince Aemon the Dragonknight," Jon would call out, and Robb would shout back, "Well, I'm Florian the Fool." Or Robb would say, "I'm the Young Dragon," and Jon would reply, "I'm Ser Ryam Redwyne."

    ...in which I thought Jon claimed he was the young dragon, when in fact that was Robb. I do think that quote has special meaning since there are such strong parallels between Robb and both the young dragon and Florian the fool. Which means there may well be between Jon and both Aemon the Dragonknight (there are some already in terms of his relationship to his cousin and his post of duty) and Ryawn Redwyne. 

    So I don't think Rhaegar nor Lyana named him. They certainly didn't name him Aegon. But if they did I think Aemon is the best option symbolically.

  7. Another big question mark is what are they doing at the Citadel having replaced Pate. I find it difficult to believe that they killed Pate in order to kill someone else, but rather I think they want the same thing as Euron wants, whatever that is. 

  8. On 5/25/2019 at 1:23 PM, NonoNono said:

    I don't think Arianne is going to live, GRRM made her a quite determined character, and such characters usually end up suffering the consequences of trying to take their fate in their own hands pretty significantly.

    I think she will live and have an important role in the story. She has already been humbled for trying to play the game of thrones. And she has learned from it. Personally I think she will identify Aegon as a fake and get Doran to wait for Daenerys. 

  9. 5 hours ago, The Map Guy said:

    Alright everyone, its time for elementary science class ... everyone take out 3 pieces of paper, scotch tape, a water spray bottle, and your safety glasses. We are going to test the Paper Curl Theory.

    For those who want to nerd out since it has been 8 years since 2011 ADWD and got nothing better to do ... write the contents of the Pink Letter onto the 3 pieces of paper and substitute the scotch tape for pink wax.

    1. Lay Paper#1 flat.
    2. Roll Paper#2 and apply scotch tape.
    3. Put on your safety glasses, roll Paper#3, apply scotch tape and spray water until it is fully wet. Let it dry. You can accelerate the drying by adding heat.

    After a few minutes, Paper#1 remains flat.

    Let's assume it took no more than a hour for the Pink Letter to transfer from Mel's hands to Jon's hand. After a hour in a dry environment, slice open the scotch tape, nonchalantly flatten the paper and pretend to read it. Then lay it on the table. Paper#2 will still maintain ~10% curl, but you can still read the contents off the table.

    After wet Paper#3 fully dries, slice open the scotch tape, try to nonchalantly flatten the paper and pretend to read it. Then lay it on the table. The moment [we] set the letter aside, the parchment curled up again, as if eager to protect its secrets.

    Everyone okay after the experiment? No one got any paper cuts?

    The letter you are talking about is written on parchment, made from animal skin, rather than paper which is made from plant fiber. All of what you wrote here is completely irrelevant.

  10. I think there will be significant difference. The only similarities as I see it will be 

    a) The threat of others will be resolved before the war for the throne.

    b) Dany will become darker (in a much more believable way) and the people will become distrustful of her dragons.

    c) Tyrion will betray Dany by freeing Jaime (the betrayal for love).

    I believe George will have told them who he has sitting on the throne (if anyone) but that is the kind of detail I can see them changing to whoever they feel like.

  11. I think there was plenty of foreshadowing but the final descent still felt out of place. I think they should have written the show so that she should have just ignored the fleet, burned the scorpions around the city, then burned the troops, then burned the red keep causing masses of civilian deaths who Cersei was using as a shield, but still actually still going after a military target. I could believe her becoming a butcher, but not a mindless butcher the way she just destroyed random parts of the city.

  12. I thought there was going to be a split between her and Jon and then a reconciliation once it became apparent she was pregnant. Now I'm not sure they can make that work and feel genuine in a single episode though. I do believe she is pregnant though and that will be a factor. 

  13. Jaime was the first character they ruined and that happened a long time ago imo. As soon as he arrived back in kings landing before the Sansa-Tyrion wedding instead of after it he became a completely different character from the books since he immediately broke his vows again. It was a great pity because I felt the actor really nailed the character up until that point.

  14. I have a feeling it will be extensively known, if not believed. 

    I think Jon Connington will be faced with it and jump to the, wrong, conclusion that Rhaeger named Jon after him. 

    I can also see another ironic conversation about his heritage, this time with Aegon Mopartis, about Jon not really looking like Aegon.