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1 minute ago, C.T. Phipps said:

They're not oathbreaking scum who betrayed their one true queen?

If you take an oath, you must stick to it until the end, it does not matter whether your master was a lawful king or queen

6 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Nope, neither Erryk nor Arryk nor any other KG did swear an oath to Aegon II in episode 9.

By the way - great that they actually show the KG are not robots who just continue to serve every king who is takes the throne. Steffon Darklyn swore vows both to Jaehaerys I and Viserys I and then to Rhaenyra in the show ... and we can expect that every KG also does repeat his vow to the new monarch who takes the crown so that it is clear to them and the monarch that they are now absolutely beholden to the new monarch.

People have been contesting this notions for years and years - good to see that Condal and his writers actually saw reason there.

That does not make any sense

5 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

This whole thing is a much better take on the whole thing than the book plot, since they at least try to explain why Erryk and Arryk would turn against each other, personally (although the last episode executed the whole thing rather poorly) whereas literally nothing in the book explains why twin brothers would actually kill each other over this issue. Not in the noble singer's version, nor in the fun Mushroom version.

The book gave a very well explanation, the twin brothers took an oath to different masters, and this is a perfect reason why the brothers, despite love each other, fought each other to death, because this was their only choice. In the book, "Fairware my brother" was such a moving scene when the brothers met for last time, knowing next time if they met would be at battlefield

1 minute ago, Lord Varys said:

You seem confused about the timeline there. Erryk steals the crown and flees the castle with Rhaenys in the show before Aegon II is properly anointed and crowned.

He isn't a king at that point, meaning Erryk is no turncloak.

 

No, King's knights were the first to take the oath, and that made Erryk a traitor and an oathbreaker

6 minutes ago, Ingelheim said:

Is this sarcasm? Ser Erryk and Ser Arryk fight each other to the death, one fighting for Rhaenyra and the other for Aegon.

 

No in the book Ser Erryk was happened at Dragonstone and Ser Arryk was happened to at King's landing when the war started, they both swear an oath, one to the black , one to the green, and they stick to their oath to the very end. Hundreds years later, people still sing songs about them. now the TV show made Ser Erryk a turncoat, this is very much wrong

Now why the TV show makes Ser Erryk Cargyll an oathbreaker? when the greens crowned Aegon II, they must have made King's knights to swear an oath of fealty, and Ser Erryk Cargyll  must have taken it, then why would he steal the crown and fled to Dragonstone ? In the original novel Ser Erryk Cargyll and his brothers were Knights honorable to their bone, he should never do such a dreadful things to dishonor to himself

2 minutes ago, Ran said:

I'd also put Daemon's blatant cheating to be another part of the "age of decadence" approach they're taking with Viserys's reign. No one is going to say boo about it, not without the king there... and I'm not sure even Viserys would have bothered to remonstrate.

Yes, in the novel, Daemon is lot of thing, but he was never a cheat

1 minute ago, Ran said:

It's true that in the books that is indeed a fact, confirmed by the writers when they explained why they changed the race of the Velaryons.

 

Yes, I know, the cause of the holy diversity 

2 minutes ago, RumHam said:

 

I'm sorry, it's bad form to quote the same bit of text twice. But I just realized that this may be this show's version of "OMG the liberal bastards made Renly and Loras gay!"

 

To be faire REnly and Loras were gay lovers in the book, but they were no fools like HBO portrait them

10 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

You know for a fact all Valyrians were light skinned?  Where did you get that tidbit of information?

Yes, whether you like it or not, this was a fact

1 minute ago, The Wondering Wolf said:

Incredibly stupid. Accidents can happen all the time, but that was absolutely insane. There's a code for knights and you usually face consequences when you kill random opponents in a tourney. Good old HBO, action first, logic second.

Yes, no one would attack your opponent's horse in a tourney in public.  

The first episode, it is already so different from the original novel, Mind you in the book, the Queen Aemma was NEVER be cut open in her child birth, and as I said King Viserys NEVER change his decision that Rhaenyra would be his heir, he did not change his mind even after he had his own son. The BS about the Lords would not accept a woman be their heir is just another attempt by HBO to bring modern feminism into the story. I guess it would be another of those as strong woman so mistreated by the male dominated society BS Looks like in nowadays, we could not enjoy a good story without these modern day political correctness.

Tell me how could the sea snake be a black man ? is house of Velaryon an ancient house of valyria ?

1 hour ago, direwoofwoof said:

I subtracted 2 points from my vote for that Misendai-Gray Worm scene. 

How can it gain more than 1 point ?

1, of course

Finnaly, as I said, I am a fair man, only place my vode when the episode is done, and my vote is 1, acutally I want to vote -10, but not an option here

officially -1 if I could after that Frey scene

1 minute ago, CrypticWeirwood said:

Half-time check

What score would you give it half-way through?

so far 0 if it exists, not even deseve 1

Based on what I saw so far, it is a solid 1 already, but I am a fair man, will wait until the end of episode,although looks unlike, but still remain a possibility that I will change my mind

52 minutes ago, Morgana Lannister said:

I wouldn't lol; proves I am not paid by HBO LOL Only saying; why watch something you hate???

If you say so, my lady

3 minutes ago, Tastes like Frey said:

Would you indulge me and give a few examples of episodes you ranked highly in the first three seasons?

all were either 9 or 10

4 minutes ago, Tastes like Frey said:

I think it is a fair assumption to make that you would have not given this episode more than 1, regardless of its content.

It seems strange that you would frequent a GoT sub-forum so frequently if you so clearly hate the show?

now you hurt my feeling my Lord, I gave plenty of 10 to the episodes of the first three seasons

16 minutes ago, Tastes like Frey said:

Do you by chance see the irony in saying this episode is made for fanboys/fangirls, when it's abundantly clear you had already decided what score you would give this episode before you ever saw it?

I think you're in the wrong sub-forum my friend.

You wrong me my Lord, I gave the score after I watch the episode

This episode is so obviously special made for fan boys/fan girls, on the whole concept, it makes no sense at all, though I would admit, this is the first episode very close to receive a 2 from me

12 minutes ago, Fez said:

6/10

Just not enough happening and what did happen didn't satisfy. Except The Hound, he was great.

ah, I forget to add the Hound into my list