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^ absolutely great point

I just saw Drogon's entry. Everybody stand on their marks. Play the lovely music.Deanerys don't panic. Why didn't St. Tyrion offer Drogon a breath mint? And great idea to design the dragons' spikes arranged like that on their backs. I guess it made sense creatively, since a woman was going to ride it.

No, no, they changed that because, creatively, it made sense... because they wanted it to happen.

LOL. Sorry, I've not been watching this season anyway, just reading. That's why I can laugh at that joke, instead of throwing my TV out the window right now.

Not an issue for Westerosi sensibilities? Why was Theon horrified and crying?

That would have worked wonderfully. 100 times more emotional than the head-scratch-inducing thing they did in ep 10. I've always found Tyrion and Shae's mushy scenes boring, but I'd really had felt for both of them, if the show would have done the above suggested version. But since Martin has mentioned that he's going to reveal more about that scene (http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/16/game-of-thrones-finale-martin/), I guess the show had to put all the same characters in the same scene although they removed the motivations. Fact is that the book version, while leaving question open, makes sense, the TV version doesn't. The TV version very often leaves the viewers supposing that more will be elaborate in a future ep or season.... Didn't happen yet.

I gave it a 5 for mainly most of the reasons listed in the nitpicking (HA!) thread. Like the rest of this season, it felt like disjointed scenes with weird pacing, no middle ground between nonsensical fillers and rushed should-have-been high points. Most of the builds-ups and follow-ups are missing.

It's also a failure. Physically strong women don't mean equality in complexity of female characters. The same goes for Talisa: sassy emancipated woman from Volatis, she's a trope.

Apparently, boss fighting skills = leadership skills. Show's own Craster's story made Jon grow: he learned to spit -- he can now become lord commander!

Vote: 5 to 6. Impression: who cares? Again again and again, boring irrelevant fillers instead of a proper build up, that in this case has been missed all season. Maybe they should have let Mance (who?) deal with the mutineers and Bran, while the NW organized their defence (+ Noye!). But that takes strategies and tactics. Instead, we got disorganization and Hollywood clichés. You have the wall. - No, you have the wall. - And now, you. - But I want to fight below and show off. - I want, too! - And I'm going to hold the gate with no advantageous weaponry. Another cliche: Book!Ygritte dies like a warrior. In the show, no matter how tough and skilled she is, she dies as Jon's lover, due to a moment of emotional hesitation, killed by a boy so that he becomes a man. Sam and Gilly: gah. He is a hero all of a sudden and she's all needy. I liked the design of the Giants and the Mammoths. As you said, they should have placed a lot more people around them. Favorite parts of the ep: Thorne and Tortmund - they both had great presence in their scenes.

Apparently we did need to have it spelled out, since it took 4 minutes to present this oh so deep message. I look forward to scenes Jaime, but as soon as this one started I thought "Again? Another cell scene with Tyrion and Jaime?". I would have preferred to see how Tywin, Cersei or the rest of court reacted to the stepping in of Oberyn as champion. Maybe hearing them speculate about the political consequence if Dorne loses his prince...

Isn't the "The Sopranos" his own material and story?

I quite disliked it. It seems now they are doing everything for shock. Holding build ups back, so they can hit the audience with a revelation. Instead of a strong thought progression, you get rhetorical hints I also hate the pacing. It's not the first time that I bore through an episode and wonder when will the event in the title come up (ie quickly at the end of the ep). There's also strange directing (all Dany scenes) and editing. The show it's just not working. I'm off to the nitpicking thread... Vote: 4 maybe 5.

I don't find the purpose of nudity to display the actor/actress' assets but to make a scene more organic. In a rational world nudity shouldn't be a issue - besides, if it's a natural thing it shouldn't be that daring for the actors. Going natural is surely sensible for independent or realistic films, where already one can see actors with a common or simpler level of attractiveness. In regard to GoT, in an era where every frame is passed through some kind of SFX/retouching, where there's costuming , wigging, hours of make up, etc, demanding the genuineness of the actors/actresses' private junks is unnecessary.

Because I would guess the women wear panties and the the rest is added in post production retouching. Perfectly discrete pubic mounds. Looked quite like it, for example in the "Blackwater" Tavern scene with Bronn.

I got the impression, from some DVD/nside the ep/whatever commentaries, that CGI or/and prosthetics are used for the crotches of either sexes. Anyway, I found Season 1 to be the most homogeneous. For example Tyrion (with prostitutes) and Jaime (with Cersei) showed at least some hint of legs. Then you had Robb, Theon and Jon bare chested getting groomed. Theon was fully naked with Roz and the ship woman, but I think they showed the appendage only with the former. Hodor in the woods - not exactly an eye candy, but bizarre and at the same time natural . Of curse Drogo's backside made up for that. Then it felt like the show fell more and more into scenes with men topless at best and women stripping down to all levels (and positions). First wtf instance: dressed-up-to-coat Stannis with totally-naked Melisandre.

A pause of two years for a TV Series? Sounds unimaginable to me. Might work for a sitcom, but not for a production and extended cast on the scale of GoT.

:drool: Just loving how much NCW is conveying with just little looks. This season is off the charts.

Mel was exposed for 5 minutes, while with Daario if you blinked twice you'd have missed it.

I gave it an 8, lots of solid parts and without storytelling atrocities. Wall: shouldn't they be in a frenzy, rushing at planning and building their defences? I don't feel the urgency: 100'000 Wildlings are coming. Ok they discussed boringly about the tunnel, but they didn't even start strategy for the Wildlings already on the south side.... Vale: Rushed. Only two episodes and Lysa is gone. The Vale looks empty. Brienne: I found it annoying that Pod makes a reasonable point about keeping the mission a bit undercover in such a shifty territory as Westeros, but TPTB turns Brienne's faux-pas in a victory, so she can be all smug with Pod. I don't care much about Hot Pie but I admit it was nice to see him in the scene. Dany: That was a curious if not interesting approach with Daario, despite the lack of chemistry. I'm extremely irked that, again, the show doesn't bother to portray sex and nudity where it's plot relevant. I might be alone in my sentiment: I'm no fan of Ser KnowsItAll (aka Lord Friendzone). Shallow me: Khaleesie's belly button! Tyrion/Jaime, Tyrion/Bronn: loved it, plus the scenes showed how Tyrion expected other people to sacrifice themselves for him. Bronn asking when did Tyrion put his life on the line for Bronn was perfect. Oberyn rocks, Pedro is excellent. But I wished Tyrion hadn't gone misty eyed when Oberyn told about the visit at Casterly Rock, but angry and resentful (at Cersei) instead. I guess I had enough of Tyrion being too emotional with Shae on the show. Arya / Hound: same old same old... Mountain: he's a teddy bear! Last: I'm bummed by sloppiness of the credits. I don't get it, did they lose the Dragonstone and Eyrie files? They're already designed an programmed. Or does the company charge double for rendering now?

I'd find it exaggerated for an actor to go through negative physical changes for a TV show - especially when the show doesn't even bother to highlight the Lannister's hair... My understanding is that with movies there's a lot more money involved, not just for the actor to make their loss worth it; the whole production has a gain if a famous name actor takes a certain part rather than a no-name with more appropriate physique.

Gave it an 8, just for the enthusiasm that I felt the show is back on course and for (apparently) deciding to cut Ramsay offing his playmate. I had enough of the irrelevant sexual violence, and the boob quota fans have the Bravosi baths scene. The trial was not perfect. Shae's motivation is not clear due to the change from the books and Sibel Kekilli's acting. But the interaction of all the major players was exhilarating. I didn't get the Bank thing, they are supposed to have their own informants, yet they are impressed by Davos' personal story, while Stannis isn't capable of saying one interesting word. Yara: again, like in every episode of this season, stupid contradictions. Like having 4 king guards bypassed by Margaery. Here, fierce Iron Borns running from a naked Ramsay and a couple of dogs. What's up with this confusing storytelling? I liked the setting up of the dragon killing the goat for now. Beautiful CGI camera pan from Stannis' ship to the overview of Bravo.

6. Though my score is about the same, this ep it was better than the last two because it didn't have absolutely let down/WTF scenes. I'm happy the Craster-ol'-house arc was wrapped tidily. Nevertheless it was superfluous and predictable. The scenes in the Vale gave the feeling of GoT returning to business. Lysa was great, though with nitpicking on the way Sansa is supposedly in incognito. "Sweetrobin, this is your cousin Sansa but when we're not alone don't call her that." - sounds a solid plan to only mention the name the kid should not use and not the name he should use. The Jon Arryn reveal was underwhelming... it should have had a dramatic music cue: tan tan taaaan! ;P Brienne/Pod cheesy writing. Oh look, Brienne can't untie a strap... Last week I liked Jaime's téte á téte scenes. This week, Cersei was doing the rounds. Her tone was unclear, I wouldn't expect her to pity herself around strangers, even if it's to butter up the judges. I thought it the wrong way to do it; admitting to Marge that Joffrey was a monster would actually make a judge more sympathetic toward the killer... This. And I've never heard Craster or the NW having hounds in the first place. Somebody wondered about LF and Sansa walking up the mountain instaed of mules and horses. I guess it's a budget and animal security thing, the less they're used the better.

I'm old and bitter: How come, no "Nitpicking with Impunity" thread?