Hey all. Just got registered for this forum... I've been waiting to be confirmed and have a lot pent up, so this is a bit long. I went through this whole topic and am surprised I didn't find what I was looking for to be discussed. So new points... and be easy on me, I've only read the books once, so I may have missed a few things. 1) Brienne and Jaime interaction. The last thing we know in the books is that Brienne was being hung for not returning the daughters to Catelyn. One of the biggest debates among fans, is whether Brienne is alive or not. Her last word was "Jaime". People think she lived because she would promise to Catelyn that she would avenge her, and kill Jaime. So the debate is - would Brienne kill Jaime? or would she not kill him and would she just be a sad woman who died with many unfulfilled oaths? I was really interested in the interaction between them on the show and watched closely. When Brienne took the sword and named it oathkeeper, did anyone else notice the eye contact language when that happened (there were several awkward seconds of it)? They both seem kind of sad and afraid of what that meant to call her sword oathkeeper. To me, that meant an understanding, that if it came to it, she would keep the oath she first kept with Catelyn. Meaning, Jaimie understood that meant that he could die by her oath. And that Brienne was sadly letting him know that. I mean that several awkward seconds of eye contact language could mean nothing, or it could mean exactly that! I was just disappointed that the show would hint to the answer of that mystery that Martin hasn't told yet. 2) Margaery and Tommen. Along the same lines. Tommen was described as a nice little boy who liked to play with his kittens, and that he got along well with Margary. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she got him those kittens? She was using tactics in the book to appeal to a child... When Cersei wants to know who margaery is f***ing she does all that she can to find out who Marg gets alone with, and she is told that Marg is NEVER alone and always with her friends and girl friends. She wouldn't even believe that it would be Tommen that she was sleeping with. It was never implied that Marg would be sneaking around and having sexual relations with Tommen. SO that could mean, that Marg actually lost her virginity to Tommen and not anyone else, meaning she would win the trial and Cersei had it all wrong (duh). I thought the show pointing into this relationship that is secret even in the book, destroyed that mystery. Cersei will never know "their little secret" until the coming books but we do now. So that mystery untold by Martin is now destroyed. Not surprising again, and I'm not crying over it, but still disappointing that we have to find out from the show before we can read it. I was kind of intrigued at the idea that Marg had lied about being a virgin. 3) Margaery, Varys, and the children. People have been asking how did Marg get into Tommen's room. I am almost definitely certain Marg, Varys, and the orphan children are all working together. Marg appeared from the shadows and I think she came through a secret path that Varys showed her. The last sentence of the last book really had me asking questions. I had forgotten that the children were his birds. Varys is an orphan, those children are orphans. And when I was rewatching some episodes from previous GOT seasons, and watching Marg stop her cart in the streets to go talk to the children (I forgot the episode) made orphans by the war. She makes them like her and then says that if they need anything to go straight to her. Her connection with orphan children really has me suspecting she's working with Varys. When Varys in the last books says "for the children" it makes me think that he killed Kevan because he was about to start another war, making more orphans. 4) I mean we all know now who poisoned Joffrey. This was debated before this episode. 5) "sansa's not a killer, yet". ok thanks for that obvious foreshadowing. 6) you all have already talked about the Others in depth. Is anyone else peeved about all this? Changes with the show I can grudgingly accept because they are two separate entities and they can take creative license to condense a complex story. BUT telling us what Martin hasn't told us yet? The things I listed are considerably minor, but it's only just begun. HBO is just getting started with telling us what happens in the next books.
