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No, he's not. He's an actor. He has a speaking role, therefore, he is an actor. Extras do not have lines. "A background actor or extra is a performer in a film, television show, stage, musical, opera or ballet production, who appears in a nonspeaking, nonsinging or nondancing capacity, usually in the background (for example, in an audience or busy street scene)." He had a speaking role. An important one, too. It might have been short, but it was a speaking role, nevertheless. He is not an extra by any definition.

...I wasn't attacking you at all. In fact, I was talking about someone else's post.

I can call that "incredibly pedantic". The guy was sobbing over the bones of his burnt child, why would anyone care what the tone of his voice was like when he was clearly wracked with grief? /yes, I cried //my son is the same age ///it hit me harder than it did in the books

When you're complaining that an extra looked like a drag queen, then you're looking too hard.

This is called "looking too hard to find something wrong".

I reiterated that they have said different things in different interviews, but like you said- they haven't made any decisions yet. That's why I would not count on an 8th season until they officially announce it.

I'm not ranting at you. I did listen to some of that interview, it doesn't mean anything though unless they officially announce it. There isn't much left to be said on the subject though, because until there IS an official announcement on both the release date of the books and the seasons of the show, this is all speculation. I don't know what their opinion has to do with anything, though. My opinion will always follow what we currently know, and not what may or may not be said in every single interview they've ever done.

Random interview #3,467 isn't an official announcement. I could find hundreds of articles with them saying 7...officially, they've not changed anything yet. Not before 2015 doesn't mean 2015. I will not say it is due out next year when it could be due out literally anytime after 2015. 2016 comes after 2015, so it's also possible. D&D aren't worried because it doesn't affect their project at all when Martin releases the books...they have his notes and his phone number. They will proceed as planned because they have no choice...they have to continue making the show. At this point, it's Martin who will likely finish last. You don't want to admit it, fine- but whether you do or not, the show will finish before the books- that is, unless Martin can get out two 1500 page books in the next 2 years. Considering he's not even finished with one, that scenario is extremely unlikely.

It was NOT announced. They said "no earlier than 2015". That doesn't MEAN 2015. Just like they didn't announce 8 seasons. Show me where they have actually announced both of those things- in an actual, official announcement. I SPECIFICALLY said that I would not be surprised to see season 6 before we get the next book. I also said that they show will likely start using material from TWOW next year in season 5. What is so hard to understand about this? Does the thought of the show surpassing the books terrify you so much? It will eventually happen- it is impossible to avoid. And it's not a guess that they will be cutting stuff from the next two books...it's practically guaranteed. I'm also hardly the only one who thinks these things.

That's completely inauthentic, then- Needle wasn't Valyrian steel! See, they ARE ripping us off, they can't even get the details on their own products right! Guess that's what you get when the writers are the ones doing the marketing.

Is it the officially licensed Needle? XD

Again, D&D have absolutely nothing to do with the marketing. They don't decide on product merchandising or licensing. There's an entire department at HBO devoted to that very thing- that's their entire job, is to get this stuff out to the public and make money for the company. That's how business works. The writers of a tv show would have NOTHING to do with any of that stuff. It's not their job. If you want to complain about marketing (which, to me, is silly when the public loves that sort of thing), then you should be complaining about HBO's marketing department for licensing their brand to thousands of things. If you want to complain about D&D's writing, that's a completely different animal. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

You are using a very bad analogy. The two situations are completely different. George Lucus wrote and directed the Star Wars movies, which were enormously successful. Then many years later, he took those same movies, 'updated them', and rereleased them. Then he wrote three terrible movies as prequels. GRRM was writing a book series when he was approached by two screenplay writers who wanted to adapt his books into a show on a premium cable network. Martin agreed, and sold his rights to HBO. HBO took a big risk on a genre that typically does not do well in the adult demographic. To everyone's surprise, the show became a hit and took off. It is slated to run 7 years, if they continue to be successful. Basically, your analogy doesn't work, because the situation of one is not comparable to the other. At the end of it, HBO will have spent about a half billion dollars making it. Do you seriously expect HBO NOT to market their biggest hit drama since The Sopranos when they are spending so much on it? Show business isn't about charity...it's about profit. Always has been, always will be. But the people with the power are the executives at HBO, because they own the rights to the show.

Sorry, I simply see no reason to bash two guys making a show for things they have no control over...like cookbooks written by someone else. They have nothing to do with the marketing of the product...that is HBO's concern. That's how business works. HBO invests a lot of money into their product, and for their investment, they get the rights to sell products, like cookbooks, dvds, shirts, etc., which will make money for them. D&D are concerned with writing the show, not marketing it. It's perfectly fair to criticize them for mistakes in their show...it's not fair to criticize them personally, saying that they are 'not good guys, really' because they had the gall to write a highly successful show based on some books that you like. By the way, Martin himself wrote a forward for that very cookbook you mentioned.

There's a difference between marketing your product and drawing it out past its breaking point. D&D may produce the show, but it's HBO who markets it. It's not up to them how HBO decides to market it. It is up to them how long the show will run, and they've explicitly stated that they are against milking it: "It doesn’t just keep on going because it can,” Weiss explains. “I think the desire to milk more out of it is what would eventually kill it, if we gave in to that." I don't get why some people try to make them out to be opportunistic hacks, because they are far from that.

...and you must not have actually read what I wrote in my post, because I didn't say that or anything LIKE that at all. I said they will be taking from 4 different books - 3, 4, 5 and 6 next season because some characters are behind (like Jon and Stannis) and some characters are ahead (like Sansa and Bran). I never said they would finish the next two books in the next season, I said that they have 3 seasons to finish 4 books, so things will get cut, consolidated and moved around. It's not going to be strictly this season to this book anymore. I don't get the antagonism I'm getting for stating the obvious.

It's not all over the place. They've repeatedly stated that 7 seasons has been the plan and that it is still the plan. They've never said 8 seasons. http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/03/11/game-of-thrones-7-seasons/ And I don't see how we can be certain of anything they will do- the entire story has changed. Tyrion won't be a big player in the game at Kings Landing anymore- he'll be a fugitive on the run. Suddenly the Wall just became more important to the story. Dorne will be introduced so we may not even get the Riverrun storyline if Jaime is going there. Arya will be in Braavos. It's not even certain what Sansa or Bran will do, as they will need more than what is in the books. We don't even know if Lady Stoneheart will be cut, so Brienne's story could change dramatically. We know nothing for certain. We can guess, but we don't know what they will do for certain at this point.

Don't be ridiculous. I haven't once said what they should or shouldn't keep in the show, nor would I. I can like and dislike what I want to without any reference to anyone else, and you have no idea what I like or dislike in those books. But it's obvious that they will be taking from 4 books next season, because some characters are behind and some characters are so far ahead that there isn't much story left for them. It's also obvious that they aren't going to spend two seasons on the next two books because there are only 3 seasons left and 4 books of material left to cover. So they will have to cut and consolidate some things. It's basic common sense. Like it or not, we are going to GET a digest version of the story, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

No, they've only said that it would be published 'no earlier' than 2015. I think from this point on, the show will be an amalgamation of books 3, 4, 5 and 6. There won't be 'this season for this book' anymore. It's going to start going beyond what we know. And I liked book 5 but for some chapters. Book 4 had some good chapters, but overall, it wasn't my favorite. There are plenty of interesting things in both of them, but there are also uninteresting things in both of them, too. The show can focus on the former and cut the latter.

Yes I do. I think we have a chance of seeing season 6 before we see book 6 at this rate.

The way almost every single storyline stops on a cliffhanger in both of those books is unsettling, and left me with the sense that he just decided "that's long enough" and stopped there.

They can fix that, too. All they have to do is move some stuff forward or back, and then we won't have a 'sudden stop' feel to the story like we do in the books.

Dickens was definitely the popstar of his day :) He did a great job of portraying universal themes of rich, middle class and poor living together in disharmony in his literature, but his writing wasn't my cup of tea. I do love British literature, though, and his work is a big part of that...but Great Expectations was hard for me to get into. I must have spent 3 days rereading the first 10 pages over and over again because I would get to the end of them and was like "...what did I just read again?" It seriously just did not catch me. Now, "A Christmas Carol" is one of my favorite novellas, because it's a very well presented and written story. In my opinion, if Martin had written AFFC and ADWD as one novel and cut out a lot of the unnecessary bloat, it would have been a great follow-up to ASOS- reestablishing the story, and introducing new characters (but not nearly so many). This is why I have high hopes for season 5, because we will see a less bloated version of these two books recombined as they should have been.

That's definitely a problem with the books, and something that is an advantage to the show. Not being beholden to specific POVs really allows us to see characters in ways we never did before. The Tyrells are more fleshed out, as are characters like Missandei and Greyworm. We actually get to know them without bias, and to see how they act when they are alone. Seeing the White Walker was big, and it finally have us just enough information about the Others to make us still think of them as a big threat...something that has gotten pushed down in the last two books for more politicking.

As much as I wanted to throw "Great Expectations" across the room when I was made to read it in 9th grade, I'd rather reread it than reread AFFC in full. /fuck maids of 13 with auburn hair Guess we need a sarcasm font?