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They should've finished on Hardhome.

The hardhome sequence made this episode a 10. i don't give ten's easily. it just had everything i would've pictured happening at hardhome in there except our boy jon snow was there with longclaw to up the anxiety. loved it Oh and Cersei saved the rest of the episode being boring. 10/10 for lena headey.

What makes you sure that the 'green whore' is actually a prostitute? we've seen her with an unsullied (so she knew they wouldn't have sex) and in the courtyard she didn't actually do anything with the guy. Why would they even bother showing her- not only that but showing us she is a part of it- for two scenes if there's not something more to her? She seems to be wearing green so i think she might be some sort of replacement for the green grace (who may be behind the attacks in the books) There's also Yezzan who was announced in the big casting video last year at Comic Con and they have yet to actually show him on screen. I'm not sure why he was advertised as having a big role this season, i think he'll be in two episodes at the most. EDIt: btw to add tot he discussion of adapting AFFC and ADWD... It kind've pisses me off how people assume criticism of the show means that person hates the show. NO! it doesn't! D&D have made some bad decisions already regarding character choices this season. And its not because we 'hate the show' its because some plots don't make sense and you can't keep the main plots of the book but change everything in between and expect it to have the same effect. eg Tyrion's escape.

yeh i didn't think he would

Honestly if i was barristan's actor and i read the books and had to play out a premature death scene i'd be pretty pissed about it too. Especially since they bothered to bring him back in the first place. I don't believe Barry's actor would have reacted badly to it though. he is a professional.

Mance was kind've hippocritical. At one stage he says "fuck my pride" and then he says "i will not kneel" wtf?!?! Jon was absolutely right in calling him out on that. I agree giving Loras a 'im gay, no really i am and i don't care if anyone finds out' storyline because he has nothing to do is really annoying. Make him kingsguard Cersei. Solves all your problems. But no, he is the heir to highgarden. they don't seem to care that much about continuity so why don't they just add in Willas and stop this nonsense. It makes Loras seem really superficial when in the books he was devoted to Renly and a D&M kind of guy. So cringe at Sansa and LF. Those people who keep saying 'sansa is playing LF' are wrong imo. she didn't even get close to playing him in her scenes in ep 1.

Well i guess its just that all my unsullied friends knew who Catelyn was

People haven't forgotten who Catelyn is. I'm pretty sure they'd connect the dots with Cat plus Lysa constantly babbling about her sister. They could've changed it to 'Only your sister' 'Only Cat'

No, i don't like this argument. More unsullied are confused as to who Lysa Arryn is but they thoroughly established that with her scenes with Sansa. Everyone knows who Catelyn Stark is. I agree with everything Caerl Targaryen said. This season was so disappointing, if it was any other series i would stop watching

i agree 100% on the CotF portrayal. did they run out of makeup artists? supposed to look something like this http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/3/30/Asoiaf_snowylocks_by_sickdelusion_by_sickdelusion-d6wgdf3.jpg i understand the furs because its cold but sigh

I'm voting on this, not just as an episode but as a season finale, and in that it was lacking. 5/10 lowest score for me.

:cheers: Yeh i thought it was well done

yes thats what i meant :cheers:

i thought it was more a realisation that they can't kill each other. And Jon happy that she's alive and loves him too

He showed happiness when he saw her, he was smiling. I agree that that part was a bit off, but when Ygritte was dying i thought it was perfect

Seems like the same amount of emotion as they showed in the episode

Yeh i was fully expecting to see the battle done this episode, but i guess what made it better for me is that i came on here and already saw that he didn't arrive this episode. So it kind've diffused the tension a bit and i could just sit back and enjoy it. If they muck it up next episode THEN ill be mad. But for now i think they left it at a logical place. The battle on the wall went for days in the books anyway.

I think it's just that we had much more investment into the characters at KL, whereas at CB there was only really Jon and Sam (some people don't even like him) and thats about it. Since Aliser has been Jon's antagonist this whole season no one really wanted him to live. As for Pyp and Grenn, i loved their characters but they weren't really fleshed out in the series. In terms of action this episode was better, but i think its complicated nature may have been its downfall. The battle of blackwater was much simpler, we had the ships and then men landing. Plus we also had the resolution to that episode, so that's probably what it was

i think you're blinded by your Stannis rage

I agree the only thing that carried the blackwater episode was the fact that we knew the characters well. And Peter Dinklage of course

yes i know, tell that to The Red Melli

But what did you want to see? What did you want him to do or act like?

The Sam and Aemon scene was awesome! Except it maybe shouldn't have been in this episode. I think they are setting up they're relationship for next season though Yeh the chant has to be there

You're kidding right? He was in the middle of a fookin' battle! what did you want him to do cry, go and kill the kid? Thats not Jon. I loved that scene, i thought it was done appropriately

I gave it a 9 The episode itself was beautifully shot, the wide panning shots were excellent and i enjoyed in one part of the episode how it followed the various characters in the fight at castle black. The only thing about the shooting was that sometimes it was hard to tell who was wildling and who was NW. However that couldn't really be avoided with night and only black/brown colours. I enjoyed all the build up, including Sam struggling with the concept of love over duty and trying to find loopholes from the vow. I as always, loved the Sam/Aemon scene. Aemon nearly made me cry, and i'm wondering whether they'll reveal who he was in love with. However this scene probably would've been better placed in 4x08 when Sam was upset over Gilly. In fact i think most of the Sam/Gilly scenes, although character building and lovely could've been shortened to finish off the battle this episode. The fighting was excellent. I thought the people on top the wall could have been loosing more arrows..The giant's arrow was awesome when that guy went flying. Also I don't know about anyone else, but i felt a bit sad when the two giants died? I thought Ygritte's death scene was well executed. Those two sold it, it didn't effect me as much in the books as it did on screen. Well done to Kit by showing the type of emotion only Jon would show. If you think he should've been more upset by it..no. They were in the middle of a battle for christs sake he didn't have time. Jon has become what he became in the books- a little cold and unemotional after the death, as Sam notices in the books, he's not Jon anymore. I'm so upset that Pyp and Grenn died. I feel like the lack of exploration for characters on the wall affected this episode, characters that could've replaced Grenn and Pyp. But their deaths did serve to bring balance to the deaths- your favourite characters can't always live. I really liked the Ser Aliser Thorne redemption of sorts, he also had some of the best lines. Why didn't they show Mance! Not many people (unsullied who aren't really into it like i am i.e my family) even remember who he was? They really should've shown the 3 camps; castle black, Tormund and Mance I think with a little more cuts here and there they could have finished this episode like Blackwater, with Stannis riding in. But now i think about it, the attack on the wall is vastly more complicated and really needs 2 full episodes but we're only going to get a maximum of 15 minutes more at the wall. I'm a little concerned about the finale, there's so much to cram in there, that this episode would've been better had it ended with Stannis. Not a perfect 10 but very close.