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  1. Or Arthur Dayne's, his bestie's, connection to Starfall as well as Ashara's connection to the Starks.
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    Can we talk about Jon?

    This is why he left originally and that is all fine - getting allies is important. But that was when the NK was still far away and his attack just something that was going to happen down the line. At that point taking time to gather resources makes sense. What I'm referring to is the moment when they have just escaped the NK. At this point the attack on the Wall is imminent - the NK is mere hours away. The living will never have such an advantage against his army than at the Wall due to its defensive capabilities so engaging him at the Wall to at least try to reduce his numbers is crucial. This is the time you fight with the army you have because no other army is available. Even if they genuinely persuaded Cersei to ally with them at the Dragonpit the troops from the South would take weeks to get the the Wall, well after the NK's attack. There's also no need for him to go to KL personally, especially after he's bent the knee. He's abandoned the Wall to try to win Cersei as ally, a sketchy proposition at best, when he knew the NK was about to attack. It's like leaving your troop on the eve of battle.
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    Can we talk about Jon?

    Speaking of Jon, do you think Mel knows his secret identity?
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    Can we talk about Jon?

    None of this explains why he didn't stay at the Wall to defend it.
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    Can we talk about Jon?

    If Jon believes that the Wall can hold the NK and his 100k zombie army then his action this entire season make absolutely no sense. Why bother manning the Wall if its mere existence is enough to stop the AoD? Why bother trying to win over Dany as an ally or not attacking Cersei to get revenge for Robb and Ned? Sansa even talks about how Cersei is the main threat and he shoots her down. He clearly believed, well pre-dragon that the Wall couldn't stop the NK. The NK at this point is mere hours away from Eastwatch. Even if this was just an ordinary army the NW at Castle Black barely managed to hold off Mance for a few days. He knows Eastwatch is understaffed and it takes *weeks* (at least) to reach KL by ship and get back. The only reasonable expectation is that the Eastwatch is toast at this point.
  6. It was the selflessness of Jon's argument that got to Ned - by making it he gave up on having a direwolves his own (as far as they all knew). That's pretty much the complete opposite of Jon gets whatever he wants because of his royal status. If Jon just asked for a cub of his own like Bran and Robb Ned would have said no.
  7. To maintain the 3ER contract you need to publish at least 10 major revelations a year. They don't want Howland Reed to beat them to the punch and get all the credit.
  8. Maid So Fair

    Can we talk about Jon?

    Ironically, the main reason for that is the fact that in the show both her and Jon abandoned the Wall and the North to their own devices and instead of staying at Eastwatch to face the NK - who they knew was within a running distance- they buggered off to KL to chat to Cersei as if time wasn't of the essence. Frankly, neither of them deserves the North's loyalty at this point.
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    The Great Debate: Should Jon Have Lied?

    Thank you I think there are essentially two ways to look at it: 1, The legalistic, technical point of view where you focus on the actual words of the vow to the exclusion of everything else. According to this interesting Jon various indiscretions weren't *technically* him breaking his vows and now that he's died and come back to life he gets to do anything he wants because 'his watch is ended'. This is not a trustworthy character. 2, You focus on the spirit of the vows. Whatever Jon does, alive or resurected, is measured against the big picture of fighting the WW. Him sleeping with Ygritte is inconsequential as is him deserting the NW as long as he's still rallying people to fight against the Others. In this interpretation his willingness of bend the knee to Dany/not lie to Carsei is possibly the biggest negation of his vows as he's placing his personal pleasure/honor above the cause. This is exactly what Quorin warned him against.
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    The Great Debate: Should Jon Have Lied?

    Good luck to any Barrister trying to prove he *actually* died and came back though - especially the way it happened in the show. Also, it's kind of negated in the oath itself - all the nights to come is exactly that. If you die but it so turns out there are still nights to come then maybe your watch isn't exactly ended? Sure, it's a technicality, but so is the premise that if you 'die' your oath doesn't count. Besides, if you get off on a technicality, that doesn't exactly make your a paragon of virtue. People shouldn't be going on about how you're the precious cinnamon roll and your word is gold of that is the case.
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    The Great Debate: Should Jon Have Lied?

    The big question is why is everyone so convinced that the Starks are incapable of telling a lie or why Jon himself considers this the highest priority. Cersei was a first-hand witness to Ned lying to save Sansa. Before that, she knows he did not expose her to dying Robert. Maybe Jon feels as strongly about the ear against the WW as Ned did for his children? Especially since WW directly threaten his family? Then Robb, a son of Ned Stark, famously broke his betrothal. Jon himself is a known deserter from the Night's Watch. His very presence at the meeting as KitN makes him an oathbreaker. Yet Cersei is willing to take his word for it? And a man who abandoned his post to continue the war by other means and win back his family home suddenly thinks that lying to a woman who murdered his father and abused his sister and who is a representative of a family and regime that had his brother murdered in the breach of guest right would be beyond the pale?
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    The Great Debate: Should Jon Have Lied?

    No, I think he should have told the truth - Dany was nodding at him to agree to the deal, making it clear she was happy to forego the use of his forces in the war against Cersei in the interests of gaining the current ceasefire. Jon agreeing not to take arms against Cersei was therefore something entirely within his remit to promise to without for swearing himself. Nor would omitting information no one asked be lying. In denying Cersei he betrayed the cause of settling their difference to fight the WW and went against his liege for absolutely no reason.
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    [Spoilers] EP707 Discussion

    Whatever your thoughts on LF betraying Ned, when it comes to Sansa herself there is also the fact that LF had the power to smuggle her out of KL from Day 1 and could have done so anytime. But instead he was happy to let her be abused for years by Joffrey and Cersei without once stepping in until it suited his own personal ambition to get her out of there.
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    [Spoilers] EP707 Discussion

    CLEGANEBOWL! Get Hype! Lol He was referring to himself, because apparently his goals in life have not changed since season 1.
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