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  1. fionwe1987

    Wheel of Time Discussion (Spoilers)

    Rand destroyed the male Choedan Kal on purpose. He came close to destroying the Pattern with it, reintegrated with Lews Therin, and decided the CK represented too much power, and destroyed it. As for the female CK, there's a possible explanation: it was being used to create a tube of saidar through which all of saidin and the taint flowed. Could be that that was incredibly stressful on the sa'angreal to sustain such a weave for so long. The male CK was used to form no weave, just to channel saidin through the tube. But the plot reason is the obvious one, of course. Together, those two would present a tempting alternative to attempting to reseal the Dark One.
  2. fionwe1987

    Wheel of Time Discussion (Spoilers)

    I never read it as anything but pessimism and cynicism from Lews Therin. Verin's statement about the Creator, the Dark One and Tel'aran'rhiod being the three constants, and the Dark One being free in one world meaning he's free in all felt to me to be the author speaking. They referenced it again, in Towers of Midnight, I think. We know Callandor resists balefire, and is almost Cuendillar like. I suspect the same was almost certainly true of the Choedan Kal. They were designed and manufactured after balefire was known, as the potential last weapon against the Shadow. Makes sense to me that they'd make it balefire proof. The Access Keys themselves are nearly impossible to destroy: All the Forsaken know balefire, so if it can destroy the Access Keys, it wouldn't be "nearly impossible".
  3. fionwe1987

    Wheel of Time Discussion (Spoilers)

    I'm not sure where this is stated or even implied. The Dark One breaking free ending the Pattern and breaking the Wheel was always held up. Heck, Egwene's entire opposition to Rand is based on that risk. Yup. It would also have fit that Demandred, Semirhage, and Mesaana, who were in an alliance, would choose to infiltrate three channeling organizations they knew would play a role in the final events. Yup. Elaida in Knife of Dreams is unrecognizable from the Elaida of The Gathering Storm. In Knife of Dreams, we have a PoV from Elaida, and chapter from her second in command's PoV. In both, we see her definitely slipping and becoming more suspicious and entrenched in her positions, but we don't see anything like a raving lunatic. The problem is, Brandon just cannot write a scene where two characters have a different view point, but neither is clearly "owning" the other. He always likes to show whoever he sees as the protagonist of the scene clearly overawe and destroy their opponent. It is quite fanboyish. Yup. This was a Demandred-Mesaana plot. Between them, they basically put the Black and White Towers at war, broke up the White Tower and engineered the installation of a "puppet" to lead the White Tower rebels, and installed a Darkfriend as Rand's "rescuer" and leader of his Black Tower. Demandred had plenty of reason to be pleased with himself. Why he decided to move on to Shara is a mystery.
  4. fionwe1987

    Wheel of Time Discussion (Spoilers)

    I don't think it is straight up explained, but the hints are there: From the Prologue, we see agents of the Shadow always try to turn the Dragon to their side. And we see what would have happened had they succeeded: Rand nearly destroyed all of Creation in his despair, doing the Dark One's work for him, while thinking he was doing the "right" thing. Seems clear to me that the Dark One has seen the futility in trying to win head on against the Dragon. Instead, it sees that the only path to victory is to turn the Dragon in one way or another. Hence, "Let the Lord of Chaos Rule", and the strict orders to not kill him (except when his activity seems poised to really hurt the Shadow, like cleansing Saidin).
  5. fionwe1987

    is the WoT series worth reading

    Is WoT worth reading? Hmmm. I'd say my answer isn't as firm a yes now as it once would have been. Partly, I think I've been more successful at teasing apart why I loved (and still like) the books so much vs. whether they will be liked by everyone. Put simply, WoT has a lot of good aspects. And also a lot of shitty aspects. Where the balance between them falls for you is up to you to decide. For myself, what captivated me about WoT (which I started a year after finishing LoTR), was not the story so much (though the Prologue is an excellent hook, way better than most first chapters in fantasy novels), but the sheer variety and number of women in the books. Ignore the people who say all the women are the same. They've usually not read most of the books with any attention to detail, and are parroting an easy line they probably heard someone make. Nor am I saying these women are particuarly deeply written. Jordan doesn't do too many deep characters, male *or* female. But there are certainly main characters (of both genders) who are given strong, and logical, arcs which you mostly get to see done right. No, what I'm saying is that the sheer number and variety of roles women are given in WoT... it really ends up making the case for gender equality very strongly. More so, in my opinion, than the very real gender issues in the magic system, the way some characters are written, the endings for the female villains, etc. can take away from it. This is still revolutionary, I feel. There's no way to tell, in WoT, whether the random merchant, , spy, villain, philosopher or scientist is going to be male or female. Some professions do see a gender imbalance, but as many such as there are favoring men, there are those favoring women, and it rarely falls into traditional masculine/feminine stereotypes. Even when it does, counterexamples abound, so at the end, it becomes really easy to feel that this is world where women and men have equality. Of course, that equality is of a "separate but equal" variety, which is quite quite regressive, but I'm really hard pressed to name another fantasy series where as many women play as much of a role, whether of the "Save the world" type or "provide some short term excitement" type. Its always like this with WoT. There's all this progressive stuff, some still unmatched by a lot of modern works, but blended in is regressive stuff that makes you want to pull your hair out. You will find a pansexual, mass rapist female villain who is a master political manipulator (who fits no known stereotype I know of, but borrows from quite a few), and her pan-sexuality is obvious but never mentioned as such or judged in any way at all. You will also absolutely no male character who is queer, at all. You will find a female lead who is allowed to be ambitious and thirsty for knowledge who is not judged by any of her fellow characters (though the fandom, sadly, is a whole other case). And then you'll find major female characters who are old and experienced but somehow turn into complete idiots when it comes to romance. Like I said, the books are a mixed bag, and not just about how gender relations are portrayed. Frankly, I'd take no one's word for it. Read it and see if it works for you. But I'll say this... if WoT becomes a TV show, and if the showrunners have the sense to leave behind the troubling aspects of the books, the core story is excellent and can make for a lot of fun TV. Heck, if someone wrote an abridged version of the books which revisited some of the issues in the series, that'd work really well too.
  6. fionwe1987

    is the WoT series worth reading

    No arguing that. But I think it serves a purpose, I just wish they'd made the ebook indexed so you could find what you wanted quickly.
  7. fionwe1987

    is the WoT series worth reading

    Graendal captures them, purely for her collection, and that sets off the revolution, since they die before the appointed 7 years, when the true rulers, the Aes Sedai, usually killed one and made the surviving spouse the ruler. The sudden disappearance broke the old order, and Demandred capitalized on the chaos. Frankly, it was a bit hard to believe that Graendal would leave such fertile ground after putting so much effort into capturing the rulers. Worse, that she would leave behind no spies in a country which she infiltrated first was weird (though this may be a Sanderson-ism, since RJ may just have had her reveal she knew exactly what Demandred was up to all along). Graendal was the best of the Foresaken, and this definitely weakens the narrative of her being the master manipulator and information gatherer.
  8. fionwe1987

    is the WoT series worth reading

    I was summoned... Yeah this is all legit. Terez is one of the foremost WoT experts I know. And she actually dug into a lot of RJ's files. Someday, I'd love to see a "History of Middle Earth" type thing done for WoT. The nuggets that have been revealed have always been interesting. Taimandred being real was interesting to me, but not shocking. It had always seemed possible RJ simply changed his mind due to fan reaction. But given how masterfully he handled Verin, I really do wish he had figured out a way to keep Taimdred canon while throwing the readers off.
  9. fionwe1987

    WHEEL OF TIME officially optioned for television

    He definitely is fairer than people of the Two Rivers:
  10. fionwe1987

    WHEEL OF TIME officially optioned for television

    Actually, I may have made a mistake there. I went looking for the quote and couldn't find it. Ishara isn't current nobility, but from thousand years ago. She married a Borderland lord, so its possible her offspring all lost her dark coloring, though that would be weird. At the same time, Rahvin was dark skinned, and passed off as an Andoran nobleman from the Mountains of Mist. It is entirely possible that while some noble Houses of Andor have European coloring, the further west you go (ie. closer to Arad Doman), darker skin is more prevalent, which can also match the somewhat ambiguous description of Two Rivers folk. Its also worth noting that people from the Two Rivers, who have never seen the outside world, don't blink at the very dark skin coloring of various characters, even though they make much of the new cultural stuff they encounter.
  11. fionwe1987

    WHEEL OF TIME officially optioned for television

    Aren't the Aiel supposed to look Irish? RJ buried some hints as to how they look so homogenous btw. There are tribes described in Seanchan whose behavior seems very Aiel like, but they're described as dark skinned. It looks like the Aiel in the Waste are only a subset of the global population of people who followed the Way of the Leaf. They're the bunch that survived as a cohesive group and reached a location that was geographically isolated enough to make their genetics get more concentrated. But yeah, you can have any nation look like anything you want. It'd make sense for there to be strong racial intermixing in WoT anyway, and there does seem to be good evidence for it. Ishara's direct descendants look nothing like here, and while Berelain can be said to look somewhat racially similar to Artur Hawkwing, his descendants in Seanchan absolutely do not. Further, the other Aiel branch we know of, the Amayar, look nothing like the Waste Aiel. So yeah, race has very little geographic meaning in WoT, and definitely very little cultural significance either.
  12. fionwe1987

    WHEEL OF TIME officially optioned for television

    People from Tear also range from very dark skinned to fair skinned. RJ has said Lan should be imagined as looking Tibetan, and Malkier's physical geography matches Tibet quite well. There seems to be a lot of Japanese influence to Shienar, and it wouldn't be weird at all to have Japanese actors playing Agelmar and Ingtar and the like, More, the first Queen of Andor is said to have looked as dark as the Sea Folk, so you can easily blind cast the Andoran nobility and stay within what the books say. Domani are certainly not described as White, and Saldeans aren't described as White either. Among the Forsaken, Rahvin is also described as dark skinned, and Balthamel as brown-skinned. While Graendal, Mesaana and probably Lanfear are described as White, there's enough ambiguity about the others that no one would bat an eyelid at them being cast as whatever. Frankly, the history of WoT, where a global civilization is fragmented and people move all over makes it very easy to blind cast for most roles and I hope the producers do so.
  13. fionwe1987

    WHEEL OF TIME officially optioned for television

    Because you're then left with clones of these other shows. TV has moved from formulaic repeat stories. The biggest TV successes, critically and commercially, are shows that try new things, and create a visual language and storytelling style strong enough to entrench a fanbase quickly, who then increase viewership by word of mouth. Frankly, I think WoT has a unique selling point already: female characters. IF they get a sensible showrunner who discards the crappier aspects of RJ's female characterization and keeps the large variety of women in diverse roles in the story, they'll have something unique. Frankly, I think a clever showrunner will capitalize on the base material to make the story speak more strongly to the current moment. A show set in a matriarchal world is not at all something any other tentpole epic fantasy series can offer, and rather than copying the nudity and exploitative nonsense of GoT, they'd be smart to distinguish WoT by having plenty of female characters who're not raped, sexually objectified, etc.
  14. fionwe1987

    WHEEL OF TIME officially optioned for television

    But those shows *also* have poorer production values and acting talent. It is not at all clear to me that nudity is the reason GoT is a success. It has a solid story with solid characters being played by a great cast of actors. That they disrobe from time to time I'm sure attracts some viewers but to write off the entirety of its success to that seems absurd to me.
  15. fionwe1987

    WHEEL OF TIME officially optioned for television

    I find the idea that only R-rated fantasy sells to be mystifying. Star Wars sells. So do any number of superhero movies. They're not any less fantasies, and in the visual medium, what is the difference between a story sourced from comics vs. a series of novels? WoT has just the right blend of politics and magic and epic world-ending evil to work, I think. Not to mention a chance to have ethnic and gender diversity without having to go against the books at all. In the right hands, WoT can be a great show. There's a lot of needless side-stories that can be cut, but the core story works, and tweak a few things and it is both thematically rich and entertaining enough to work as an 8 season show.
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