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  1. Ice Queen

    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    Thanks. I forgot all about that. ☺
  2. Actually, Martin himself said it years ago.
  3. Leto II doesn't come into it until book 2, Dune Messiah. But you'll get the picture.
  4. Yep, I agree with that. I edited my post above to not give too much away in case Lollygags hasn't read the story, but the messianic talk around Dany is strikingly similar. All you have to do is think about Paul's jihad to realize what Dany is. Bran as Leto II is a little frightening to think about. The physical descriptions of Cat and Ned even match those of Jessica and Leto.
  5. Ice Queen

    Daenerys should have supported Jon’s claim

    Again, as long as there were males left, she was no one and has no valid claim. That includes the Baratheons. Viserys told her a bunch of malarkey that the Westerosi would welcome them back with open arms. Um, no. They put Robert on the throne to end Aerys' atrocities. Jorah tried to warn her, but she didn't listen.
  6. I see a lot of Atreides in the Starks, and Bran could be Leto II. I think that was discussed elsewhere but the parallels are unmistakable.
  7. Ice Queen

    Daenerys should have supported Jon’s claim

    Once Robert was on the throne, she had no claim at all--her line had been deposed and that's it. The line of succession would be Robert, Joffrey and his heirs, Tommen and his heirs, Stannis and his heirs, Renly and his heirs. So she's going around making a claim to the throne she doesn't have. Targaryen women cannot inherit the throne unless all other male claimants are dead.
  8. When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movement becomes headlong – faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thought of obstacles and forget that a precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it’s too late. ~ Dune
  9. Ice Queen

    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    Yeah, I don't get that either, especially from Dorne and the Iron Islands. I don't think it really does matter who Sansa marries, although here's a sticky issue: Can Sansa make her children Starks instead of taking the surname of her consort? If not, then the Stark name ends with this generation. The Starks and the Vale are also related through Cat and Lysa. The Stark kids are cousins to Robert Arryn.
  10. Ice Queen

    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    She was talking about the throne of the Seven Kingdoms, and even then she could have asked Jon for the North's independence. Jon was the king of an independent North; there was no reason for that arrangement to stop. Even with Daenerys, Sansa made it clear the North wanted to remain independent, which is why Daenerys would have been A-OK with burning it and Sansa to the ground. To her, Jon is not a Targaryen. He is her brother, just as Bran is. There will be family ties between the North and the throne of the Six Kingdoms for at least a generation, possibly longer depending on who she marries.
  11. Ice Queen

    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    The North has made it clear that they want an independent kingdom with a Stark ruler--even a woman.
  12. Ice Queen

    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    Sure it is. You said you doubted the North would prefer a female over a male of pretty much anywhere else in the Seven Kingdoms. I don't think that's true. The Starks have ruled the North for 8000 years and are well-loved. The Northerners are just biding their time with Ramsay--his authority and stature in Winterfell derives from his marriage to Arya/Jeyne. That's how much clout they have. It was the only way to get the North to even remotely accept him as overlord. (The North doesn't accept him, but we'll have to wait and see how that plays out.) As I said, they would take Sansa and Arya in a hot minute over some dandy from the Reach or anywhere else in the realm. They may be women, but they're Starks and Northerners. That trumps all.
  13. Ice Queen

    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    If it's a choice between a female Stark and a male [insert other House here], they'll pick the Stark every time.
  14. Ice Queen

    Daenerys should have supported Jon’s claim

    No, but he took the throne instead Ned because of it. If Aerys, Rhaegar and Viserys had been killed in a plane crash, Robert was next in line. With Aerys and Rhaegar dead and Viserys fled to Dragonstone and then across the Narrow Sea, Robert was next. They call it Robert's Rebellion...but it was Jon Arryn who started it when he refused to hand over Robert and Ned to Aerys.
  15. Who did she free? Many of them willingly re-entered servitude just like during Jim Crow and the carpetbaggers. They just didn't call it that. She did not defeat the NK. Her strategy was shit and her dragons ineffective. If it hadn't been for Bran and Arya, they would have all died. It turns out she wasn't even necessary. I expected the realm to break up, but the Westerosi seem like they want to stay together. For now at least.