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  1. Ice Queen

    Symbol at the Last Hearth

    I have a hunch it was Summerhall. The Targaryens messed with something they shouldn't have messed with, a magic beyond their understanding and control. Rhaegar was born on the very day of the tragedy.
  2. Ice Queen

    Samwell Tarly stole the spotlight.

    Which is exactly what Jaime tried to explain to Brienne. Medieval figures like Robert the Bruce should have been burned a thousand times over under using their logic.
  3. Ice Queen

    I am the Queen

    Which means he doesn't care about the NW or the people in it save Sam, Edd and Tormund. Rickon was his brother. In the end, that meant more to him than the NW, and so did Winterfell. You guys can prance around it all you want, but the argument was the the NW was Jon's family, not the Starks. That is demonstrably false.
  4. Ice Queen

    Samwell Tarly stole the spotlight.

    Exactly, It was Robb who broke his oath when he married Jeyne Westerling (book) or Talia (show) instead of a Frey as was agreed to. If there is one thing that's offensive to the gods and men, it's breaking guest right.
  5. Ice Queen

    I am the Queen

    Oh for Christ's sakes, this is what you said: You're wrong, and I'm done arguing with you. Bye.
  6. Ice Queen

    I am the Queen

    So I'm right. He hadn't left. He was still there when Sansa arrived. Then he gets the letter from Ramsay saying they have Rickon. That's when he loses his shit and puts together an army.
  7. Ice Queen

    I am the Queen

    Um, no he didn't. Sansa, Pod and Brienne arrive at Castle Black while Jon is still there.
  8. Ice Queen

    I am the Queen

    He left the NW on his own, knowing what they were going to face, to kick the Boltons out and reclaim Winterfell. But he cares more about the NW? No, he doesn't.
  9. Ice Queen

    I am the Queen

    He left the Night's Watch at the threat from Ramsay Bolton. LOL Ramsay even offered to pardon him for deserting the NW. He then goes on a tour of the North getting support so he can kick the Boltons out of Winterfell. He cares more for his family than he does the NW. He always has. He tried to leave when Ned was arrested and Robb called the banners. He tried to do what he felt was right at the Wall and they murdered him for it.
  10. Ice Queen

    I am the Queen

    You think? He left the Night's Watch at the threat from Ramsay to get Arya (Jeyne Poole) back and to smash the Boltons once and for all.
  11. Ice Queen

    Can't the Night King just wait them out? Confused

    I've wondered for a long time if the Night's Watch isn't complicit, too. Their very oath is suspicious if you ask me.
  12. Ice Queen

    I am the Queen

    Yes, but family is more than the people you share genetics with. A family is a tight group that has each other's backs, loves and cares about each other. They nurture each other and help each other grow.
  13. Ice Queen

    Can't the Night King just wait them out? Confused

    The Ghost of High Heart, who is almost certainly CotF and a beloved friend of Jenny of Oldstones. And Rhaegar was born there the very day of the tragedy. This is purely speculation, of course, and we're never going to get the answer in the show. We don't know exactly what happened at Summerhall. We don't know exactly when the WW woke up because Westeros ignored the warnings until the last minute, and the Maesters always treated the stories with disdain, because of course the WW were mythological and never really existed in the first place. It could have been many, many years. But Summerhall was a very serious attempt to create new dragons. and House Targaryen nearly wiped themselves out trying. I was wondering if it was related to the death of the last dragons--that the dragons die and then it's the WW turn, but that doesn't make sense. The WW existed long before the first dragons. I was just discussing this with a friend a little bit ago and they brought up the fall of the Hapsburgs. Duncan's removal of himself from the line of succession to marry Jenny led to a regime change, a change in the line of descent. Instead of Duncan's line inheriting the throne, it fell to Jaehaerys and his descendants, including Rhaegar and Jon/Aegon. It ultimately led to war and the overthrow of the Targaryens, just like the murder-suicide of Prince Rudolf led to his brother Archduke Karl and HIS son Archduke Ferdinand inheriting...leading directly to WWI. There can only be 2 people the NK could be after: Bran, because he's the Three Eyed Raven; or Jon, because he is of Rhaegar's line, a direct descendant. Rhaegar thought the PtwP was himself, then changed his mind. I wish we knew what prophecy Rhaegar got his information from. Wouldn't that be nice? LOL Edit: You were looking for a birth. What about Rhaegar?
  14. Ice Queen

    Can't the Night King just wait them out? Confused

    Or not a birth, but death. As in Summerhall. Just tossing that out there. I don't even remember if they mention that in the show at all.
  15. Ice Queen

    Samwell Tarly stole the spotlight.

    Okay, fine, you believe that if you want. I notice how you ignore his vision of the wildfire under KL, though. That's a clear vision of the future.
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