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  1. I see a lot of Atreides in the Starks, and Bran could be Leto II. I think that was discussed elsewhere but the parallels are unmistakable.
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    Daenerys should have supported Jon’s claim

    Once Robert was on the throne, she had no claim at all--her line had been deposed and that's it. The line of succession would be Robert, Joffrey and his heirs, Tommen and his heirs, Stannis and his heirs, Renly and his heirs. So she's going around making a claim to the throne she doesn't have. Targaryen women cannot inherit the throne unless all other male claimants are dead.
  3. When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movement becomes headlong – faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thought of obstacles and forget that a precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it’s too late. ~ Dune
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    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    Yeah, I don't get that either, especially from Dorne and the Iron Islands. I don't think it really does matter who Sansa marries, although here's a sticky issue: Can Sansa make her children Starks instead of taking the surname of her consort? If not, then the Stark name ends with this generation. The Starks and the Vale are also related through Cat and Lysa. The Stark kids are cousins to Robert Arryn.
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    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    She was talking about the throne of the Seven Kingdoms, and even then she could have asked Jon for the North's independence. Jon was the king of an independent North; there was no reason for that arrangement to stop. Even with Daenerys, Sansa made it clear the North wanted to remain independent, which is why Daenerys would have been A-OK with burning it and Sansa to the ground. To her, Jon is not a Targaryen. He is her brother, just as Bran is. There will be family ties between the North and the throne of the Six Kingdoms for at least a generation, possibly longer depending on who she marries.
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    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    The North has made it clear that they want an independent kingdom with a Stark ruler--even a woman.
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    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    Sure it is. You said you doubted the North would prefer a female over a male of pretty much anywhere else in the Seven Kingdoms. I don't think that's true. The Starks have ruled the North for 8000 years and are well-loved. The Northerners are just biding their time with Ramsay--his authority and stature in Winterfell derives from his marriage to Arya/Jeyne. That's how much clout they have. It was the only way to get the North to even remotely accept him as overlord. (The North doesn't accept him, but we'll have to wait and see how that plays out.) As I said, they would take Sansa and Arya in a hot minute over some dandy from the Reach or anywhere else in the realm. They may be women, but they're Starks and Northerners. That trumps all.
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    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    If it's a choice between a female Stark and a male [insert other House here], they'll pick the Stark every time.
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    Daenerys should have supported Jon’s claim

    No, but he took the throne instead Ned because of it. If Aerys, Rhaegar and Viserys had been killed in a plane crash, Robert was next in line. With Aerys and Rhaegar dead and Viserys fled to Dragonstone and then across the Narrow Sea, Robert was next. They call it Robert's Rebellion...but it was Jon Arryn who started it when he refused to hand over Robert and Ned to Aerys.
  10. Who did she free? Many of them willingly re-entered servitude just like during Jim Crow and the carpetbaggers. They just didn't call it that. She did not defeat the NK. Her strategy was shit and her dragons ineffective. If it hadn't been for Bran and Arya, they would have all died. It turns out she wasn't even necessary. I expected the realm to break up, but the Westerosi seem like they want to stay together. For now at least.
  11. We're talking about the show as you pointed out. She burned the khals in the show. And she had Jorah. It's amazing to me the lengths people are going to to defend her. Do you do this in real life?
  12. And he agonized over whether it was the right thing. Only time will tell. But how exactly would it have plunged Westeros into a civil war? There aren't that many Dothraki left and they're foreign invaders, not Westerosi. Jon probably saved millions of lives, not cost them. "She did more good than Stalin" is just a rationalization. You could argue that Hitler did some good things, too. That doesn't make them good and it doesn't make them good leaders.
  13. The Starks are far from perfect. Arya is permanently damaged and a "dark heart". Bran has the potential to be a villain as well. Sansa is a manipulative, scheming witch who just used all the lessons she learned from Cersei and LF to get herself crowned Queen in the North.
  14. But she did almost exactly the same in the show--burning the khals was utterly horrific and I don't know how anyone justified that at the time, either. It should have been seen then for what it was: an unspeakable atrocity, aided and abetted by Jorah who should have stopped her.
  15. Jon killed her for the greater good. Her speech about "liberating" the kingdom from Winterfell to Dorne should have horrified everyone. Liberated from what, exactly? Replaced with what, exactly? Were we greeted as liberators in Iraq or Vietnam? Hell no. And she didn't have a plan for what to do after, only that the people of Westeros from Winterfell to Dorne were going to suffer yet again because of her ego. Insanity.
  16. That's true. But Daenerys has Jorah, Barristan and later Missy to keep her in check. Even so, her high and mighty conviction that she's a god with a destiny comes through loud and clear, enabled by those same advisers...including Tyrion. She was in single minded pursuit of a throne she had no claim to, and shr's not doing it out of some benevolent motive--she is hell bent on vengeance. It's worth noting that she was always a sidenote to Varys' plans. Varys is going to put Aegon on the IT or die trying. He will hinder her in any way he can.
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    Wheely? Discussing the "breaking of the wheel"

    Ah, forgot about Davos. I meant on the council. Was Davos there? I can't remember.
  18. No, it is a warning of what can happen when people fall for the glitter and start making excuses for atrocities in a dangerous game of whataboutism. Mindless devotion to a single charismatic "leader" and treating them as a god without checks can only end one way, and it's not good.
  19. We see her chapters through her eyes--of course she doesn't see herself as such.
  20. Yep and they're right IMO. Leto turned himself into a worm; Bran wants to be a tree, all in the pursuit of a Golden Path for humanity. Let's not forget that Leto was a brutal tyrant, as was Paul. After a few thousand years Leto was bored with the whole omniscience thing but he was convinced that he'd put humanity on a path that wouldn't result in their self-destruction.
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    [Spoilers] Episode 806 Discussion

    Ashes. It was right after the battle and the whole city was smoldering.
  22. Why are people still in denial about the fact she's been a psychopath since the beginning? She didn't need Bran's "guidance" to send her over the edge, only her overly inflated ego and sense of self-importance.
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    Destiny of Jon Snow

    Not to belabor the point, but only male descendants of Aegon V (Egg). There are none left save Gendry. But it's irrelevant anyway. Edit: Robert got the throne even though it was Jon Arryn who started the rebellion.
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    Destiny of Jon Snow

    As a House, sure. But Gendry is still part of that dynasty. If all of Aerys' family had been killed in a plane crash, Robert would have been next in line. It's why he became king in the first place.
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