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  1. Elissa Farman, yes.
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    Destiny of Jon Snow

    Nope, Gendry is still very much alive.
  3. Oh thank you, someone mentioned Dune! Martin says he based the Starks on the Yorks, but I see House Atreides (which in turn was based on the Atreides of Greek mythology. Edit: No idea why part of that is highlighted. Oh well.
  4. How many times did he tell her he didn't want the throne, though? She's like an insecure teenager who lives in their imaginary angst. If you don't have anything to worry about, invent something. He tried to reassure her over and over again. She chose to not trust him, and without that trust you don't have much of a relationship or future together. Had she only done that, the outcome might have been different. It was all up to her, and she chose poorly. Edit: Jon wasn't the heir to the throne the second Dany legitimized Gendry. Gendry was. Dany never had a claim to the throne at all.
  5. No one save Jorah and Missy could check her impulses and even they enabled her to a certain extent. I think she would have been worse without Jon and his claim to the throne because there would be NO ONE to challenge her. In Ep 4, she didn't really make an effort to get to know the northmen. She sat there like a queen bee--she caused her own isolation because she was too uppity to let people get to know her as a human being. And then she asked Jon to be party to her atrocities. Any sane person would have refused her flat out and saw her for the threat she was.
  6. Then she bought into her own character's hype. It was pretty obvious where she was headed.
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    Destiny of Jon Snow

    King Beyond the Wall. I actually like it and think it's a fitting end for him. He may end up being happy.
  8. Maybe there was nothing he could do to change the slaughter at KL. Dany saw it in her own vision in the HotU. All he could do was mitigate the damage. Bookwise, I always saw Bran as a potential villain, but that's not the way this played out.
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    Destiny of Jon Snow

    IIRC, he makes a comment that his watch is over. I'll rewatch it, but I'm pretty sure he says it himself.
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    Destiny of Jon Snow

    Technically, he was dead, so his Watch is over.
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    Wheely? Discussing the "breaking of the wheel"

    And with the exception of Bronn, they're all nobility. The common people don't know what's good for them and they need the nobles to tell them.
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    Destiny of Jon Snow

    Yeah, D&D obviously skipped that chapter, too.
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    Destiny of Jon Snow

    Butterfly fever. It's a disease spread by the island's butterflies. The natives are immune to it, but it kills everyone else. They can lessen their chances of contracting it by spending no more than a few hours on the island, and to go at night.
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    Wheely? Discussing the "breaking of the wheel"

    You're missing the point. Thomas Edison, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Elon Musk aren't aspiring politicians or rulers. They're entrepreneurs and fabulously rich, to be sure, but that's not what we're talking about here. Although the Citadel might be willing to grant them some patents...Planetos has yet to invent capitalism. We're talking about the rich and powerful having total control over the lives of those of the lower social classes. There is no democracy--this is a feudal system. As Varys says, "Why is it the innocents who suffer most, when you high lords play your game of thrones?" It is always, always, the common people who suffer the most. Do the sons and daughters of those declaring war pay the price for that decision? By and large, no, unless they voluntarily serve in the armed forces. It is always the children of others who are sent to die, not the ones making the decisions. In ASOIAF as well as medieval times, the peasants and serfs bore the brunt of it. It was their land that was ravaged, their crops trampled, their livestock butchered, their families killed and raped. And for what? So some spoiled aristocrats could play their games of thrones? That's what we're talking about here. Even if you sweep away feudalism and go with something more democratic, eventually you're going to end up with a Parliament or Congress and the same shit starts all over again. There's a warning here, too. Any time you have a cult of personality figure who is promising to break the wheel or drain the swamp, beware.
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    Wheely? Discussing the "breaking of the wheel"

    The people will still pay taxes to Winterfell, though. Sansa gets a tax cut. The little folks, not so much.
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    Destiny of Jon Snow

    Well, the Unsullied are about to get poisoned by butterflies so...
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    Wheely? Discussing the "breaking of the wheel"

    I think the lesson here is that you can't break the wheel. Ever. Human nature won't allow it. Those who claim to want to break it or burn the system down are just tyrannical egomaniacs. And yet, they manage to charm enough people into believing they mean it. This has real world implications even now. The rise of authoritarianism around the world is built on the lie that someone wants to change the world, that he (or she) and he alone knows what's best. And people fall for it in enough numbers that it should scare the shit out of everyone.
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    Your predictions vs what actually happened

    Two things I got right: Jon would join the wildlings, although him being forced to take the black never occurred to me. The North is his home and the wildlings are his family. Jon kills Dany. I missed the boat on Bran. I thought they might somehow have a great council and develop something along the lines of the Magna Carta...but I guess they're not ready for that yet although we've seen the Ironborn choose their rulers democratically.
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    Wheely? Discussing the "breaking of the wheel"

    And yet, nothing changed in the North. It is still ruled by a Stark through primogeniture. After Bran, she's next in line.
  20. Bronn is the real winner in this. He didn't just upjump, he had a rocket jet pack. He doesn't lack for brains, but who knows. Maybe like the wildlings, now that he has a great castle and is one of the richest men in the Six Kingdoms, he'll make an effort to do the best he can. If I were Bran, though, I'd watch my back.
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    [Spoilers] Episode 806 Discussion

    Here's the thing. She talked about breaking the wheel, but she was infernally convinced that her way was the only way, that people don't know that they want freedom. And worst of all, they wouldn't get a choice. She was speaking like a true tyrant. She was going to make war on her own people, from Winterfell to Dorne, and no doubt they'd all suffer the same fate as King's Landing. And when she was done with Westeros, she wanted the whole world. Tyrion summed up everyone's increasing tolerance for her brutality nicely. That is how tyrants gain power. Jon was right to kill her. It was the only way to stop her.
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    [Spoilers] Episode 806 Discussion

    Littlefinger was green eyes.
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    [Spoilers] Episode 806 Discussion

    The defeat of the Others was supposed to end winter. I guess the showrunners skipped that chapter.
  24. He has a son--or at least a child that his family thinks is his--plus one on the way. Would those children stand as heir to Horn Hill with his sister acting as regent?
  25. And yet, he was happy with Ygritte. And Tormund and the wildlings believed in him when his own people stabbed him to death. Jon was miserable because he was lying, yes, but he envied the wildlings their freedom and could completely understand why Mance left the NW to join them. He wanted to do the same.
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