German and Austrian politics: Twilight of the conservative parties in General Chatter Posted October 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Luzifer's right hand said: I remember there was this Kyoto thing back in the 90s informing us that we need to get shit done. We could have transitioned away from fossil fuels by now. But the gas industry has done a great job at undermining the stability of our countries that is definitely true. I don't know about Austria, but you definitely don't get Germany over the Winter on wind and photovoltaic. Both fail completely for prolonged periods (a day or longer) several times a year ("Dunkelflaute"). The Powers That Be, led by Merkel, decided that gas was to be the backup. Alternatives would have been coal and nuclear, both of which the Greens (whose votes in the Bundesrat have been necessary for any serious piece of legislation for decades now) heavily opposed.