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  1. In the end, everything will be bittersweet.. ^^
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    Details on Prequel Pilot Revealed

    I hope we won't. But who knows, what GRRM is doing next instead of TWoW... if he gets heavily involved, it could shift his interests once again.
  3. I don't think such happy endings will be what we get, or even truly want. It is sad, but giving up their (childish) dreams of love and adventure is, what made them great characters . Considering their journeys, I believe their best end would reflect their evolution beyond what they have once desired. Arya, after all she has done, is beyond heroism, and Sansa is beyond seeking love.
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    Cersei versus Daenerys

    Thinking of the best regent possible, I would suggest someone with at least a little bit of successful experience in ruling. I believe Jon and Dany have both heavily failed in politics so far, though not only cause of their own fault. Both lost control over their people and have never learned governance or diplomacy. They may serve well in times of war, but during peace I would imagine someone else to be a better choice. However, a new strong small council may be the best idea, whoever becomes regent.
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    Is Tommen being poisoned?

    This is quite interesting. I have never thought of it, but Varys poisoning her would make totally sense. Otherwise, we should keep her growing paranoia and madness in mind. Alcohol abuse and mental ilness may go hand in hand and cause symptoms like sleeping problems.
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    Is Tommen being poisoned?

    I'm not an expert, but aren't these just symptoms of alcoholism?
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    [SPOILERS thru S7] Where did the show go wrong?

    Areo and Arys have no impact to the story, they just have been introduced to create new viewpoints. That's what I tried to say. Arienne.. as much as I wished we would've got more from her, I have always felt odd toward her character. At the beginning, she is this very impulsive girl, quite naive in her way, but full of sexual tension and hate towards her father, which has grown over the years. Somehow immature for such a highborn woman in her mid twenties. Then she tries her coup, fails, and the men she admits she might have loved gets slaughtered. After her time in the tower, her father tells some ridiculous stories, that just should prove all of her resentments. But suddenly she is on his side? However, that's not the topic of this thread at all.
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    [SPOILERS thru S7] Where did the show go wrong?

    Actually, I never said so. To be honest, i consider the sheer number of PoVs and story arcs as a main problem i have with AFFC/ADWD. Spending more time with certain characters would have been neccesary, in my opinion. Speaking of too many new characters, i originally refered to all the people Tyrion met along his journey to Meereen. I really loved some, like the old widdow in Volantis, but i can hardly remember their short appearances. She may be main cast, but i consider her a supporting character. I get it, you didn´t like it at all. Everything you said about Renly and court... that´s really misinterpretation on purpose. I have no problem with you thinking it is all bad writing and acting, but this is getting a mean rant. Why should i? I like the way GRRM develops his characters. According to your Show!Margaery-criteria, i guess Arianne, Areo and Arys are not developed so well. Especially Arianne has some inconsistencies considering her age and behaviour. Areo and Arys are just very one-dimensional.
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    [SPOILERS thru S7] Where did the show go wrong?

    True. Circumstances at the Wall are quite different in the show, but it made little sense to proceed with the assassination the way it happened in the books. However, i think Hardhome was a good idea still. I totally agree with the latter. There are two major techniques in writing, that cannot be transfered from books to tv properly. First, there is a lot of inner monologue, that has to be remodeled to dialoge or scenery. Second, GRRM often uses secondary characters as PoVs to maintain the inner mystery of main characters. In the show, this is not neccesary or even wanted. No matter if the transition is done good or badly, i think these are important facts to consider. I feel free to criticize both, show and books, whenever i feel to, not when i think it may be consensual opinion. Assuming so is as fair as calling you a fundamentalistic book purist. Do i think, there have been many unnecessary minor changes throughout the first seasons? Yes, i have already said so. Do i still think seasons 1-4 are fairly faithfull and enjoyable? Of course. The Dark Tower and Ghost in the Shell are what i would call not true to the original. Every criticism should stay within reason. I think double standards are really what we have to talk about. Obviously, it does not make sense to compare a book and a tv-show by the exactly same parameters. However, the overall quality always depends on good development of plot/characters and internal logic. You insist, that Show!Margaery as a secondary character has no character development or impact at all (although it was her actions that chased Cersei to the faith, for example). Contrary, you defend Briennes chapters resolutely. To me, it seems GRRM uses her journey to show Tarly, Meribald and Nimble Dick, tell us their stories and explore the eastern crownlands. Meanwhile, Brienne mostly thinks of Jaime and her vows, what she has already done before. Could you explain, why she is another person afterwards, especially if she wouldn´t have met Lady Stoneheart? Until TWoW, any thoughts on impact she might have are pure speculation. Concluding, if you want to avoid double standards by yourself, you have to judge some book characters as harshly as you do Show!Margaery. Quentin, Victarion, Areo Hotah and Arys Oakheart barely have any character development and serve for world building (which, again, i like pretty much). Any impact on the story results from activities, that could have worked without them. Thinking of Penny, many secondary characters in the books have no story arc of their own.
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    The wealthiest family by region before AGOT

    I think House Arryn of Gulltown was mentioned as among the richest, if not the richest of all families in the Vale. House Redwyne may also be quite rich, but supposedly not before Hightower and Tyrell. The Freys are also considered wealthy. Don´t know if they are richer than the Tullys.
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    [SPOILERS thru S7] Where did the show go wrong?

    Margaery in the books is nearly nonexistent as a character. All we get is Cerceis hateful view on her while she is partying with her cousins. Yes, it was a major change to the books, but one i appreciated. The whole "meant nothing and brought nothing" argument is pointless. This can be said about many parts of the book, you would defend by pointing to world building and comprehensive storytelling. Orsons beetles was a scene without purpose, but why do you dislike Natalie Dormer and her version of Margaery so much? To my mind, all of her scenes with Cersei, Sansa or Geffroy worked out quite well. She gave us a vivid impression of a more mature Margaery that enrichended the show. This is very close to arguing all people who love this scenes are simple minded. Guessing this was not your intention, i suppose hardhome fulfilled several purposes. Whereas the white walkers havent appeared in the books for a long time, the show tried to show them up frequently. We got also introduced to Wun-Wun and saw what valyrian steele is capabe of. Finally it did fulfill the same purpose all the disturbing ravens bringing messages from hardhome in the books did: raising the tension. Hardhome happens in the books, dead things in the water and more of it. Does it have no purpose, because the crows would have killed Jon after the pink letter-incident anyway? I dont think so. It is super-comparable, because it is a problem originating from the same reason: Giving her something to do. What purpose lies in her chapters? We have learned about the devastation of war und the suffering Riverlands before. We follow her on a quest that is doomed from the start, because we know that Sansa is not there. All her battles are just filler. I don´t see much character development during her travels... It is a richer an more beautiful way, GRRM lets her stare on a candle.
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    [SPOILERS thru S7] Where did the show go wrong?

    I think it makes sense not only to differ between necessary and unneccesary changes, but also changes that are consistent with the source material´s spirit or not. Throughout the series, there have been changes that worked out quite well, such as a more fleshed out Margaery, High Sparrow and Selyse. I really liked Arya and Tywin or Brienne vs the Hound. Hardhome, a well loved episode, is hardly based an any source material. I think these changes worke, because they are not in contrast to the books story and message. Otherwise, if the anti-hero, anti-war-story is corrupted by nonlogical icebear-wights, Dorne-journeys and miraculous healings, it is not even an adaptation, but weak interpretation of the story (hate the term fanfiction). I mostly agree with you towards world expansion as a good thing, but i fear some difficulites George had developing the story during AFFC/ADWDcan be sensed by the reader. In my opinion, Briennes very weak show-story staring at a candle reflects her book story wandering around, both not knowing what to do with her until other characters meet up. Talking of knots and gaps, i assume it was another good idea to age up the characters from books to show.
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    [SPOILERS thru S7] Where did the show go wrong?

    Wow. Im neither trying to argue with you nor lecture you. I just wondered what a fairly faithful adaption has to look like, if the first season does not match it in your point of view. In general, do you think an adaptions quality is linked to its faithfulness? When talking about tolerating different views, i refered to the fact that this discussion has become quite.... argumentative? To me, it seemed you argue against people that don´t share your personal taste by using "objectively statements". If i misunderstood you, i apologize. So, about Briennes chapters: They could have been condensed in a much more compelling way. Whereas i like world building very much, it was a meandering journey with the same problems that showed up in Dance overall: Too many new locations and side characters, many readers have a problem to get attached to. For example, many people think of Quentyns arc as objektively bad. Finally, there is clearly no way, especially in the later books that reach 1000p, to accomplish a 100% transition. Once again, i don´t want to be a show defender, they chose a completely wrong path later on. But this is something, everyone has to agree with.
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    [SPOILERS thru S7] Where did the show go wrong?

    I pretty much agree. First of all they did minor changes like Talisa that didn't improve the story and felt unnecessary, but I was ok with it. Then, more and more potential was wasted. Just mentioning HotU, Dorne, Euron and the kingsmoot, Barristan, Tyrion... but overall, I still liked it. What I can't forgive is lazy righting, complete lack of logic and stupid fantasy cliche. It has started with Aryas stabbing in Braavos, and killed it for me in season7/"Beyond the wall".. If the show tells us, we shouldn't complain about geographical distances, cause there are magical dragons, then they lost all focus on what made it a great show once.
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    [SPOILERS thru S7] Where did the show go wrong?

    This has been discussed since the show has started over and over.. I get what your opinion is, and it is ok, but there are also different views you should tolerate. Many people like AffC and ADwD less than the other books. I don't see a way to objectively measure a books quality, cause it's all about subjectivity. If we try to analyze the books objectively, what has already happened, we notice increasing worldbuilding and less plot-driven storytelling. I personally love Dance, but hate all of the new Brienne-chapters. That's my personal opinion. One thing about faithful adaptions -I agree regarding to the later seasons, but at the beginning, the show was really very close to the books. If you think season 1 was not adapted faithfully at all, you should stop watching any adopted material. There is no way to transfer a book completely 1:1, and changes don't make it automatically worse compared to the original material. (Which doesn't mean I defend all stupid changes they did in got) So, like what you like, hate what you hate, and discuss it all. But let's stop talking on objectivity.
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