Lemorecake

I guess you got me wrong if you believe that I'm OK with the woman nudity. I think it is as bad as their portrayal of Loras. If you read my complete opinion of the episode, I also criticize the Mereen brothel scene where we see girls naked just because ... boobs!

It just happens that the conversation as been more directed to Loras's case. I wish to believe that it's because he's a more important character than a slave prostitute and not because he's a guy and not a girl.

I had the same problem last year with their portrayal of Oberyn and Ellaria for example, and I think I've said so in a previous post.

Yes, Loras has scenes that are not about his sexuality, but Ros also had some. It is not by having some minor scene where he is not being presented on a sexual perspective that his portrayal ceases to be one sided.

Really, if you think about Ros, do you first think of her as the lieutenant of LF or as the omnipresent whore of Westeros? The same applies to Loras.

It is sad, when we know the sacrifices they have to make in order to compact everything into so few screen time, to have to waste time on characters that are so one dimensional and so different of the vision GRRM had of these characters, just because D&D believe that the audience is too dumb to understand that a character can be many things at the same time. (to be clear, this isn't about last episode Loras's scene that I understand will be important for the progression of the story, but for his portrayal in general.)

Sadly, their portrayal of different characters seems to me to have become just that, one dimensional.

Today, the rage concerns Loras's character, but I'm sure I will be as vindictive when they show us the bad-ass/strong/avengers Sand Snakes, if the reviews of the first 4 episodes are indicative of the final result.

I totally agree with that.

They changed his personality a lot, maybe cause there are´nt so many sexscene-suitable male characters left (rob had to earlier).

My first intention when hearing of the missing greyjoy-arc was: But i´m sure we´ll see ALL the kettlebacks with Cersei. It seems i was wrong and it´s now Loras.

Even so, that "we know he´s gay"-thing may be some kind of overreaction cause we are more used to sexualised women than men. I don´t remember many complainers when they changed Daarios first visit at night to another dany-boobs!-moment.

Why do you think D&D added these scenes (sex with olivar, talk about brooches, stare with Oberyn)?

Was it to add something to the character? Was it to advance the plot? No. They were added to remember the audience that yeah, he's gay.

It would have been the same if Loras was portrayed as a macho man and you'd replace Olivar by a female prostitute and his talk about brooches by a talk about boobs.

I understand what´s your point, but i disagree.

Of course, there have been many scenes emphasising his sexuality, and yes, his character is strongly reduced compared to the books.

But so are many.

And everyone will agree, that the show is WAY more sexually explicit than the books are (adding new naked prostitute-characters and changing the protagonists personalities).

So, what´s my point? I have read many posts complaining about stuff like "to much guy butts this episode", whereas all the naked women showing everything seem to be quietly tolerated. Same with Lora. Why can´t there be a Tyrion-like (remember the whores in season 1) gay character, who answers his losses (Renly) and uncomfortable situation (Cersei) in a foolish way (indiscrete sex)? Loras is not one of the main characters (even they get not enough screentime), but hey, this is a storyarc, not "just him beeing gay". Remember, he also had a scene talking with Cersei. Properly dressed.

So, while i widely agree with all the complains towards Loras, everone should check potential double moral standards. The show hungers for sex scenes, and others like Daario are also reduced in this way. We may be more familiar with him an Dany making out, because it was part of the books, but come on: The scene when he spoke of his past in the pits was about showing him naked. Ellaria was reduced to be the naked woman besides Oberyn. What was the purpose of Ros? :-D

To come to an end: I am not a prude and i enjoy the show. We all will see more of Loras beeing gay, and (very propable) Loras getting problems because of beeing gay. Cause that is the way, the show works.