Hugorfonics

These Romans are crazy.

Yea of course. But also cleopatara and boudicca were losers, and probably debeautified by the haters that history has come to call the Roman's. Maria Theresa is almost modern tho and not a complete loser either, but I never heard of her having purple eyes

It's not even justification, just an excuse. Frankensteins creature was born in sorrow and fear, but to pretend that this serial killer is anything less of a monster is to misread the book. Obviously Ani died a Jedi, and for me that's enough, his actions were unredeemable but the person himself, is always capable of redemption. That's the Jedi way

There are records of Cleo and Boudicca's eye color? How? Idk I think Maria Theresa had blue eyes, tbh the only times I've actually heard of purple eyes aside from asoiaf is Liz Taylor, I'm sure the inspiration to GRRM

Anjou, Brittany, probably some more places, Acquatianie. There definitely was not a clear cut indicator on who's more powerful, after all 100 years couldn't even decide who gets the whole pie. But William and his successors were clearly enveloped in this French style game where as Aegon really made himself a "nation state" which we see with England and France after the 100 but not before. (Although maybe breifly with the Danes, it's a shame because they weren't exactly literate so so much of history feels like guess work) Nation states did exist tho, the best example is Japan but a closer one to this topic would be Hungary

Word, present day Denmark, but like 18th century Denmark, maybe? They speak something of a different language, no doubt, but probably so did the anglos and saxons (and Spaniardsand Portuguese) and the English may have been Christian but the stories of Odin and Thor and all those crazy Danes was probably still in effect. I mean Beawolf is Danish. (Although so is Hamlet lol) That's pretty funny, but probably not coincidencental, right? From this example, the Danes and English clearly belive they're kin. Yea the world's always been bigger then what we thought, after all they're all Christian, except the Danes lol. I mean Hungary is really not that far and Byzantium has ruled the world for like 500 years, but still, like the Danes had the early kings of England's attention and vice versa, the conquest really made England into a French territory, or colony, until like Joan of Arc times.

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Allegedly. I'm actually pretty sus about it and am fairly convinced the it's just a goat... I'd totally have some goat tho. Ok, but first item on the menu, hard liquor. Tyrion drank some rum that should work nicely, but of course still keep the mead and wine flowing. Second item on the menu, Sourleaf. I think that's like some type of chewing tobacco? Bon Appétit.

Question, aren't the Saxons Danes? (Although for clarity I'd say the Saxons were "colonists" while the "Danes" were conquerors... although actually maybe not, I mean they'd probably call themselves colonists. So much for clarity. ) So, of course this isn't really true, I mean the power of William definitely reaches further then England, although its probably the other way around. William of Normandy was a vassal to Paris who in turn probabaly owed some type of allegiance to the HRE. If anything, to my understanding, William kinda brings England back into European politics, unified in that way, which the Danes were I guess also trying to do, in their own Danish way. But yea, definitely not like Aegon (who did not conquer and unify all of westeros anyway lol) Very jumbled. The Roman's called it Britannia, the three germanic tribes invaded Enlgand a while after Rome abandoned her and Hadrians Wall. The fact that the celts above Hadrians stayed autonomous is really just a coincidence

Didnt you read my quote? Sorry for not responding to the rest of the post but its a bit of a pet peeve of mine, digging up relevant quotes that are just ignored. Please do because Im about to supply a (super famous) quote from The Prince. Like, have you ever actually read The Prince?

He smiles all the time tho I dont think so. Hes older than the girl? Shes funny, or witty to be precise. Tommen juts isnt. Like Keaven. Its not a crime. "And his father too?" Or something like that? He can roast but its missing the punchline that the three are known for. Same could be said about all of them. But I find that a sense of humor isnt always inherited or learned, sometimes it just is. Theres certainly a wit that goes along with being a Lannister, which I do think Tywin kinda has, he just dumbs it down for the bland audience that is himself. But Greyjoy and Baratheon are also very funny, even witty. I think it's more that Stark is just not funny, which is in itself very funny. Jaime in their shared scenes is funnier then Tyrion, although Cersei is funnier then Jaime in theirs. In this scene Id say the aunt had more and better jokes. (I do think overall the order of funniest to 3rd is Tyrion Cersei Jaime) I mean his kids are far greater than he is, so like what he tried to be they actually are. Yould behave like him tho. What would you call it? Because adults can hold their liquor. Joff was a kid, it was a specific crazy happenstance moment that cant get replicated. Even his bowels are on a time clock. (Ser Rodrik stays at home writing nasty letters, he doesnt actually do his job when his prejudice gets the better of him and he rides out to "defeat" the Ironborn, lol) Comparing said character to Ramsay is not a good way of convincing me hes not reckless. 1 kingdoms vs 7 is what Tywin went into, and he thought hed get away with it because he underestimated his opponent. Very compulsive. Very, good example. Tywin did the same but on a larger scale. Jaimes thinking was an exchange of Tyrion for Ned, there was a calculation behind that as well. I mean as I said above he completely underestimated his opponent, and then following the battle he literally hides in Harrenhal for the remainder of the campaign because now he compulsively overestimates Robb. Thats not true, and Tywin knew it wasn't true which is why he kept it a secret, because he knew he was impulsively making the incorrect decision. His grasp on foreign politics is unflinching, he doesnt bend to the times which I think is very impetuous and not calculating at all Yeah, lol. Perhaps normal for this middle ages period, I think their constant obsession with worthless land is peculiar, but for sure that according to them is pretty normal. I wouldnt however sell Genna short, she is after all a Lannister. Tyrion even more Id say, but to think he doesnt move with emotion is just a complete misreading of Tyrion's story. Being impulsive isnt always terrible though, and often like especially in Tyrions case, quick thinking often saves and betters his life.

Lol that's true. Yea for sure, it's a little different But this I don't think is a really accurate description. We see plenty of them, they're not funny. They don't even try really. For example we see aunt Genna for a second and she out wits the kingslayer. Nah they're all a bunch of mini Tywins, with his children being the most Tywinish. Hear me roar and lesser beasts fall into line, Tywin does do that for sure, like by declaring war expecting Robb to play the kid. But Tyrion is very a hear my roar kinda fella, because of daddy. Cersei too is always thinking what would daddy do, even Jaime who's supposedly more rash then bluffs quickly changes when he like jumps into the bear pit armed only with the belief that Karstark soldiers will do what he wants

Is Stannis'? Jon wonders about that too. (I say yes) Vics got some great lines tho. This one being a particular favorite interaction Imo this has to be intentionally funny. Even a dimwit like Vik understands the difference between laughing with and at. Tywin though is even more dimwitted then that. Tommen and Keaven arent funny either tho. Some people just dont have a sense of humor. Although Tywin recognizes humor, like he understands Tyrion is making jokes he just doesnt smile at them. And I think "hear me roar" is the main trait of Lannister. Which is really just bluffing.

Very Victarion/Stannis like behavior, but while they remain hysterical Tywin is too afraid to make a joke to save his life

Oh damn, that was that scene? Tbh I havent seen that show in ages and maybe should give it a rewatch. I think its more that I started to dislike the show as it got less sciencey then actually hate the character. I was just using her and Binks as like a catch all characters, but I guess a better example would be like that lady from Mad Men who get electroshocked, not that I hated what she said or did, I just dont get how it reflected the story and thought it detracted from the things around it. Which I certainly dont think about Eddard. (but you know truthfully maybe a little Jar Jar lol) Lol, pretty cool comparisons! Both thoroughly fucked the realm through their naivety, gullibility and stupidity. Binks giving Palpatine absolute power is what Ned tried to do with Stannis, although their plans went haywire for different reasons. Gungan makes me smile though, I was raised with the fella, I dont think I've ever smiled at Ned (maybe with Arya), as JarJar would say "How rude!" Hes just like an asshole to everyone he talks to and is super judgmental like he wasnt a rebel not 20 years ago. His handling of Theon and stance on treating deserters like deathrow because of the barbaric law he implements would be sickening enough if he didnt brainwash his sons into believing that. (Luckly his kids are of the brighter nobler stock, although perhaps in this regard not Arya? Who wasnt actually present at all these beheadings which further questions why Bran can't look away?) But lastly leaving his children as bait in the lion den is Doran level of fathering and the girls should be thankful, although not to their father, for escaping Quentyns horrid fate.

I disagree, I think thats a strong Lannister trait. Joff is a great example too, The twins a little less so, and Tyrion has his reasons, I suppose Joff did as well but I dont think Tywin was special in that regard, even if he went into overderive with his permanent frown. Yea, why not? He is a 13 year old drunk, that invites sloppy. Tywin I think would have taken offense from Arya and Mycha and would also have antagonized the situation/ threaten to murder Mycha, where he might not have tried to start swinging his sword at Arya he certanily would remember that she frustrated and embarrassed him. Tywin isnt Jaime like, true. But I think hes still impulsive and such. He immediately goes to war following Tyrion's arrest which is nothing but reckless and impulsive. He attacks Roose allowing Robb to breeze right past him to RR, and is quick to accept Frey help despite the stigma it will inevitably bring. There are times like when he doesnt answer Baolns call or Aemons but that I think was still a decision he made, impulsively not moving, if that makes sense? I think the first part is correct, not sure about the second. After all, that's like half the characters. Genna is extremely paranoid (because she can see) and wrote down all her complaints anxious to complain to the first person whos not her husband, while Keavan from his 5 minutes of rule used it to send men to die by Griff by sending such a small force. Im not sure either of these guys are the best examples. Tyrion absolutely cant keep his mouth shut and is one of the most impulsive characters I think in the series. Usually for jokes or silly escapades like pissing off the "edge of the world" but its also often quick decisions like to bring Tyrell into an alliance or send Young Griff across the map

Lol. She doesnt really add to the story, is neither a protagonist nor an antagonist. Just wasted screen time really, a few times she seems like her story is getting wild but then it just fizzles out while shes back at square one. I remember I used to defend her until that swimming pool scene, and I remember thinking Is this the type of television im intrested in? Its a shame really, they shoulda been like Succession or Black Sails and ended after 4 seasons instead of sinking into what I describe as bad television. Also now that im further clarifying stuff, I dont really hate Jar Jar lol

Heavy interpretation on the word dignity. Tywin, like his three children, do what they want with no regards for the rules or regulations, Jaime a little less so and it drive him bonkers. Unflinching, forever bluffing, just really good at the game Chicken. So whats with the kid? He does what mommy says? But women have soft hearts, I think Joff, like the Lannister name he does not have also does whatever he wants. He used Cersei like a cyvesse piece, perhaps knowing she will demand a wolf. And Sandor as well, Joff knew would come for his revenge. So I do think child Tywin would have behaved similarly, perhaps worse and maybe less sniffling but Joff seems to have held himself together in typical Lannister fashion.

It makes an indepth baddie imo. Hes actually terrifying, like Dracula. Plus Ramsay's style is like a perverted take on Stark magic which I think is kind of cool, in an extremely violent and sadistic way lol. Tony Montana said we've never seen a bad guy like him, but lets be real, Ramsay is a different breed I dont think he did, I think he was just inept. Walder and Tywin orchestrated the RW while Ramsay cleared the North, all Roose has done is to sometimes pretend to take credit for it. That Roose was gungho on the RW is clearly not the case as he would have remained loyal if Jaime the one handed knight refused to dance to his tune. Tommen legitimized Ramsay and Roose went along with it to protect himself Probably but like Icarus, or Mace Tyrell. I disagree with a bunch of this, nobody wants either of these fuckers ruling over them. Roose thinks his silent rule will cow his vassals into submission while Ramsay, kinda like Joff, realizes he must put on a face to terrorize his subjects into submission. Ramsay is shrewd, he has shown that time and time again. Yea I see that all the time, I wish I could say I dont understand peoples anger and hate over a fictional character but after Theon conquered Bran's castle I too was angry and wished harm onto Theon, enter stage left Ramsay. So it's kind of funny that it's' repeating, but on a grander scale. So, question? How much do you hate him? For example, I "hate" characters like say Tywin and Eddard, but I dont hate their existence, far from it I think asoiaf would suffer tremendously if they were absent in their fullness, now compared to like Star Wars' JarJar or Breaking Bad's Skylar, I actually do hate and dread the screentime they posses (the better example is Darkstar but I feel thats a bit unfair because of little screentime I dont know him like I know Skylar Binks) , so im curious do you hate Ramsay like the character or the existence?

Why? He just sits around staring, he's like one of those Septas with their tongues cut off, Ramsay is infinitely more exciting. Granted Ramsay is one lucky son of a Roose but everything he's done is why his father is where he is today, if Ramsays lucky then what's Roose? Of course Roose attributes this to Theon because it's easier to make fun of Reek then it is to say thank you to your child, which is kind of funny but it still doesn't compete with the actual terror of his son. Unless Stannis ditches his red hawk for a blue one, which is certainly possible however theres been no hint that that could happen, he will burn the Weirwood if he wins the battle. Further in twow he hints at his death or possibly a misdirect where he fakes and with these two insights, mainly the sacrilege he'd definitely commit on the protagonists shrubbery, Stannis will not conquer Winterfell.

Fair enough, when in Rome is still horrible. I still think there's levels between him and Gregor or Robert. Bran was told cannibalism is wrong, told skinchanging into humans was wrong and did both. In fact after Hodor is actively in displeasure Bran goes into him again. But I just used him as a quick example, all of those I listed above, and plenty others, have done stuff reprehensible, but their goodness still potentially outshines. Arya is a good example of this, but I think so is Tyrion. Throughout the story, even in adwd, they remain heroic. And that's how heroes are. George Washington was the largest slave owner in Virginia, Anakin Skywalker didnt just kill the men, but the women, and the children. It may very well. Tyrion is battling hardcore amounts of mental health, the crossbow bolt chimes in his mind like the minute hand. He's a fugitive who Illyrio describes as "nothing," and is shit faced drunk, given free reign after being cut off from liquor for the past journey. I think someone saying snap out if it and get back to reality is exactly what Tyrion needed, one of Penny's many great contributions to the story. But that's later

She didn't really consent cuz she's a slave, true. But she did work at a brothel and was a prostitute. Prostitution even today often involves sexslavery with pimps cruelly forcing and threatening and all that. Does this make nearly every John a rapist? A chaoticlly evil one? Hodor actively struggled and called out for him to stop. Next to Jeynes wedding night I think that's like the cruelst read in the story

Yes. Seriously. He's not "chatoicly evil" for having rough sex with a prostitute. It's an extremely uncomfortable scene, no doubt. It's not the same as Bran mind raping Hodor. If your against redemptive justice then shouldn't Dany belong in the "chaoticly evil" category? Imo this is all silly and grouping characters in the bland world of warcraft fashion is exactly what GRRM does not want happening.

I'm not trying to go argue with your justifications, if you think anything above is fine in any situation then we're at an impasse. He saved Aegon, Penny and Jorah. With last two being is wannabee assassin and jailor, I can't imagine any other character doing that. Maybe Sansa.

But your ignoring all the good he did in book 5 while highlighting the darker areas. Dany crucified 163 people, where is that in the chaos chain? Jon abducted a child, banished it's mother and all for kindling. Bran violats Hordor, Arya turns into frank castle. They're all chaotic and evil?