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  1. Possible. In the end we don't know that the throne is as old as the house, though. Just as '50 generation' could be a figurative way to say 'we have been here for a very long time'. But assuming fifty was an accurate number, I think 30 years per generation is too much.
  2. The term 'generation' seems to be used rather broadly. Yandel speaks about five generations from 184 to 260 AC (including five kings) and four more generations that had to deal with the Blackfyres after the First Rebellion. So 50 generations could easily refer to the number of lords (including three brothers in a row for example).
  3. Alright, seems to be a case for the errata page then.
  4. @Ranivaka The maps Michael Gellatly drew for the Worldbook contain some inaccuracies compared to the maps from Lands of Ice and Fire. Do you know which source(s) Gellatly used for his work? I'm asking because I just noticed Lands places Godsgrace west of the junction of Vaith and Scourge, but the Worldbook places it northeast - just as the map in AFFC does.
  5. First it seems weird to me that they were taken unaware, although Prince Aegon would have told them about the approaching fleet. But my main point is about the timing. The Gay Abandon sets sail "in the waning days of 129". Not sure which day that would be, but I guess it's not the last one of the year, so let's assume it is the 364th one. Why was Corlys Velaryon not able to prepare his fleet for the attack when it's clear there must have passed several days between Aegon's arrival and the battle? I also wonder why the Triarchy did not attack right after their encounter with the Gay Abandon. I think this is an error due to shifting the date of the battle from late 129 to early 130 AC.
  6. Hm, is it actually the case that any clan member can bear the name of the clan? I don't remember that from the books. Thanks for editing the article.
  7. Sure, but this actually does not apply only to clan members, but you could always ask if this Moore or that Tollett really belong to the main line or maybe rather to a knightly side branch we have not learned about so far, one could even ask if the guy is still considered noble at all because he might be so far removed from the main line he never met the current head of the house (like a Lothor Brune situation). My main point is: If you like, you can find a lot of reasons why the association of this or that character with this or that house or region is not sure. Maybe in this particular case we can find some compromise. What about: Billy Burley was a longbowman in the service of House Blackwood during the Dance of the Dragons.[1][2] His name indicates some relationship to House Burley, a mountain clan in the north.
  8. I see your points (and also the one made by Thomaerys). But as I said, if you followed this way accurately, many pages would need to be revised. For example, you could not associate most of the Kingsguard members with a house, because you never know if Maladon Moore and Jon Tollett actually were from the Vale houses or maybe from a house of the same name in another region. Taking this further, many historical characters who get mentioned only once or twice could not be associated with a house or a region, because the text does not explicitly say so. This would make it unnecessarily complicated, though, so I think when a character with the name of a known family is mentioned, he or she should be associated with that house by default - except there are good reasons not to do so. And in my opinion, serving a house in a different region is none. There are two Burleys mentioned in F&B, and I see no reason why only one of them would belong to House Burley.
  9. Why wouldn't he, though? The Blackwoods themselves descend from the north and still worship the old gods, so there is not even a huge cultural difference in that regard. And I think it makes sense for a younger son of the mountain clans to leave his home. If you go by the 'we can not say for sure' approach there are a lot of pages that would need to be revised.
  10. The page of Bill Burley states he possibly was a member of House Burley. In any other case a historical character has a family name of a known house, he or she is associated with that house, so I am not sure why there are reservations in this case.
  11. I thought about her, too, but at least it would not surprise me if there had been women in the Marches who were passed over because of their gender. Actually I just wanted to make the point that there are so many possibilities that it's impossible to tell which one ist the likeliest of them. Sure, but this happens all the time in the book. Characters get introduced and we have no idea what happens to them later.
  12. Maybe, but I think even if Alan had succeeded Donald, he could have been a nephew or younger brother, because the Marcher lords prefer male heirs, but that's only guesswork. Easiest solution would be that one was the son of the other (although Donald could have been the younger brother of Alan, too). Maybe we meet Lord Tarly in F&B 2.
  13. @Thomaerys Velaryon I think you are confusing the two Alans. The MUSH only includes Alan Beesbury. There are a few possibilities for the Tarly family tree, but in the end it comes down to the fact that Donald could have ruled after the Dance, as well.
  14. Since the Canon guide says "Please note the "verified" qualifier -- origin with Martin must be an established fact, not simply assumed" and we can't be sure that the information in the Campaign Guide is from GRRM, I would propose to remove the book from the semi-canon section.
  15. Semi-canon means it is a source that can be traced back to GRRM himself, but the information has not appeared in the books so far, so it could still be changed. Now Elio indicated the Campaign Guide makes up a lot of stuff on its own and thus is not semi-canon.
  16. I once made a list of things based on the Campaign Guide. It seems to me the book is mostly as canon as the TV series, which is none, so I guess most of these parts should be removed or backed up by canon sources.
  17. The wiki also states that based on the semi-canon Campaign Guide Robin is the Lord of Flint's Finger, but I seem to remember you said that the book isn't really semi-canon, so do you think that part should be removed?
  18. @Ran The Citadel page of the Flints of Flint's Finger mentions Robin, indicating he is a member of the house, although the appendix says he is the son of Lady Lyessa Flint of Widow's Watch. The wiki uses this source to make Robin a Flint of Flint's Finger, but I am not sure that this is right.
  19. Hobbling is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read about. But Dust of Dreams is so full with all kinds of violence that I think Erikson went too far with his 'You need to see what humans are capable of doing to each other' attitude. No I don't have to, I read this for entertainment. If I want to read about stuff like this, I look for some reports on the Holocaust or some genocide. Doesn't mean there must be no violence in these books, but in my opinion the style changed at some point. There were really cruel parts in the Chain of Dogs as well, but it was more balanced (and sometimes less is more, Duiker's rather distant view on the things had a huge impact on me), now it's way too much.
  20. Since there were (and still are) huge intervals between the releases of the German editions, I had to reread the books almost every time another one was published, because I had always forgotten too much. Thus I read Gardens of the Moon like five times, and I still like it, as I like all of the earlier books a lot. At some point the story (maybe around the 4th or 5th book) became a bit repetitive to me, but I continued (and there were still a lot of great parts), but right now the only reason why I will wait for the release of the last book is that I have invested so much time now that I want to know how it ends. The level of brutality in general and the violence towards women (and to a lesser degree also men) piss me off more and more, and while there are still humorous elements, I skip entire conversations between Malazan sodiers because they have been talking the same shit for four damn books and I don't care about it anymore. It feels I have already read any interior monologue at least two times somewhere else. So right know I am under the impression the series is too long by at least two books, but maybe I am going to change my opinion after reading the end. Sorry for highjacking the thread, just saw the title and since I finished Dust of Dreams a week ago, I felt triggered.
  21. I still don't think people will search for these articles, they will get there only by links on other pages, and I can think of no title which would change that. So short and clear is a good approach, thus I second these proposals. You can still use Gyldayn's wording for the intro.
  22. I propose "civil war and struggle for power in the Iron Islands of 133-134 AC on the mysterious death of Dalton Greyjoy and the terrible crisis that came after". Maybe it is even possible to move all the content into the title, so people don't have to read the actual page anymore. On a more serious note, no-one is going to search for a page like this, you just follow the link on other pages to get there, so the title doesn't really matter as long as the intro explains everything.
  23. Since it's a Lannister tree, it should focus on the Lannisters. You can also create a Westerling tree including Roland, Johanna and her children with Jason. I guess Harrold was an uncle of Roland, but in the end it's not clear at all, so I would not add him.
  24. When Elissa Farman hired people for her voyage in Oldtown, it says that she succeeded in finding a crew because she had gold at the vaults of the Iron Bank. So she must have had some proof about that.
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