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  1. CatherineLaw

    The Will to Change: Rereading Sandor II

    Whoo, what's left to say here? You all made very interesting points and I wish there was a like feature... Couldn't agree more. We know how the offer of becoming a sworn sword is like: The tall girl knelt awkwardly, unsheathed Renly's longsword, and laid it at her feet. "Then I am yours, my lady. Your liege man, or . . . whatever you would have me be. I will shield your back and keep your counsel and give my life for yours, if need be. I swear it by the old gods and the new." (Brienne to Catelyn; ACOK) First of all, Sandor never offers himself as her subordinate, which is definitely the most important part of this vow or of any other relationship between protectors and their employers. Doesn't matter if it's a sworn sword, a sellsword, a kingsguard or a household knight. His language (speech and gesture) are very forward. There is a lack of courtesies or any other attention to rules as Rag has eloquently demonstrated above. Secondly, there's no formal offer of giving her counsel. He has already been counselling her for a while and again, without the constraints of the rules: how you address a highborn lady, what you tell a highborn lady, what you tell a hostage. And finally, he doesn't take vows. Sansa should just wish more. :P I also found it interesting that the Knight of Flowers was leading the vanguard that "won the fight". Dressed in Renly's "green armor, with the fires shimmering off his golden antlers!" There's the Tourney of the Hand, where he declared Sandor the champion for saving him from certain death after giving Sansa a red rose. With the detail of Sandor throwing a piece of Renly's golden antler to the crowd. There's the nickname: Knight of Flowers in harmony with Florian and Jonquil. Here he is winning a battle Sandor thought lost. And later on he'll get similar burns. (I'm repeating myself, I know, I'm sorry.) He's the epitome of handsome in Sansa's mind, too. He's sort of a foil to Sandor and maybe something else I'm not good enough to spot. I was wrong, nothing to read here. Thank you Milady for telling me.
  2. CatherineLaw

    The Will to Change: Rereading Sandor II

    That’s an interesting parallel too. Can’t wait for the analysis of the next chapter to see what else is there. Thank you for the explanation! I must confess it did not occur to me that Sandor had been getting that kind of attention from women but that actually makes a lot of sense. He’s obviously a good match for his skills and the position he has earned with them. Just as Sansa would later point out about Ser Lothor. And Sansa is a wolf, not a dog. Which reminds me of her retort at Septa Mordane: “She’s not a dog, she’s a direwolf.” Again, I can’t wait to see the analyses on future chapters and on whatever it is that dogs do to wolves :dunno: Yes. The most significant one is imo in Bran’s dream which is the one that sets it as identifying of him: One shadow was as dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. And again the shadow...
  3. CatherineLaw

    The Will to Change: Rereading Sandor II

    Fascinating analysis, Ragnorak. I’m amazed with all the stuff you (and the rest of posters here) get from these chapters. I did not get the double meaning either :blushing: Do the washerwomen know Sandor that well? Interesting, Sandor and Sansa have a lot of parallels going on during the Blackwater Battle. It starts when Joffrey calls Sansa the same way he calls for Sandor: “Sansa!" The boyish shout rang across the yard; Joffrey had seen her. "Sansa, here!” He calls me as if he were calling a dog, she thought. Then Sansa goes to sing at the sept and once she comes out as the septon leads a prayer for Joffrey, she stops to listen the song Sandor and the rest of the men are making outside: It was another sort of song, a terrible song. Terrible is an adjective we may find reminiscent of the Hound as Sansa often uses it when describing him: Strong hands grasped her by the shoulders, and for a moment Sansa thought it was her father, but when she turned, it was the burned face of Sandor Clegane looking down at her, his mouth twisted in a terrible mockery of a smile. “Think I’m so drunk that I’d believe that?” He let go his grip on her arm, swaying slightly as he stood, stripes of light and darkness falling across his terrible burnt face. The Hound leapt at them, his sword a blur of steel that trailed a red mist as it swung. When they broke and ran before him he had laughed, his terrible burned face for a moment transformed. As mentioned earlier by Rag, he boards the galley Prayer and Sansa prays inside. Cersei remarks how apt that she’s bleeding as the men bleed outside, and Tyrion observes Sandor’s bleeding gash. And ultimately, Sansa wishes the Hound was there to protect her: I would be gladder if it were the Hound, Sansa thought. Harsh as he was, she did not believe Sandor Clegane would let any harm come to her. And they seem to be on the same wavelength here too…
  4. CatherineLaw

    The Will to Change: Rereading Sandor II

    Phew, there has been so much good stuff going on here lately. Particularly appreciated Milady's commentary on the Florian figures on the Serpentines. Doglover mentioned a parallel between the Beauty and the Beast’s ring and Floris and Blanchefleur’s and it made me think of the library the Beast gives to Beauty and the books the kids share in the palace of Almeria. Floris and Blanchefleur fall in love through reading about these romantic stories in the gardens with the birds singing in the background. It is later replicated in the Emir of Babylon’s gardens, where the singing comes from mechanical birds and the books Blanchefleur says to be reading have a more sexual content as they are meant to help her learn how to please the man who holds her captive and ambitions to wed her. This essay of Milady’s explains the importance of singing and bonding. I’ll quote a bit: I always wondered what was Sandor doing in Maegor’s just chilling in the shadows. Waiting for his favorite Stark girl to need his gentle and strong hands to steady her yet again? :P Some time ago I thought maybe he wanted to be close to her chambers in case she’d go to the Godswood and get in trouble as he knows she’s hiding something but your interpretation that he may be looking to the burning Kingswood and mentally preparing for battle makes much more sense. The reason he was not in her nightmare was probably because he had actually saved her in rl. The nightmare juxtaposed her expectations with reality. She was dreaming of those she expected would protect her, but the help she received the day it actually happened came from an unlikely ally. Note that she mentions Ser Dontos, who she believes is a friend, her father and brothers whom by westerosi custom are to protect her, Lady and the heroes from the songs. There’s no Kingsguard member, no random person from King’s Landing, not anyone who was truly down there with her. Stannis burned Winterfell’s godswood?