Ser Leftwich Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Do we know if the crownlands planned active revolt against the Baratheon dynasty like the Greyjoys and Martells Could you clarify/elaborate on this question? Not sure what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Did the crownlands and or dragonstone actually plot rebellion during Roberts reign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Blackwood Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Did the crownlands and or dragonstone actually plot rebellion during Roberts reign? Well Stannis was Lord of Dragonstone during Robert's reign...so definitely not Dragonstone. Supposedly much of the Crownlands, particularly the Cracklaw Houses, have strong Targaryen sympathies, but no, we have no record of any plotted rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodyLS Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 According to everything I've read, Daeron "The Young Dragon" Targaryen was the youngest king to sit on the Iron Throne at 14 years old. But, according to the wiki, his father Aegon III "Dragonbane" inherited the throne at age 11 at the conclusion of The Dance. Do we have the dates wrong for the war, or was there someone on the throne between Aegon II and Aegon III? Does can anyone help clear this up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harzoo Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 IN AGOT, why were Varys and Illyrio speaking (presumably) in the Common Tongue in the bowels of the Red Keep, and not in Valyrian or a mix of Pentoshi/Lysene dialects? Or are we to assume that Luwin had taught Arya enough Valyrian for her to understand their conversation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crow's Third Eye Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Thank you. Varys is one sick dude. Edit: Thanks to mindchap as well.Dont have my book on me, but doesnt the child.who fetches Kevan to Pycelle (actually one of Varys' little birds) speak to Kevan? In which case they certainly dont all lose their tongues. My pet theory is that the thing about them surviving relates to them undergoing to same process Varys did to become a Eunuch. (although so may actually be mutes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iona Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Dont have my book on me, but doesnt the child.who fetches Kevan to Pycelle (actually one of Varys' little birds) speak to Kevan? In which case they certainly dont all lose their tongues. My pet theory is that the thing about them surviving relates to them undergoing to same process Varys did to become a Eunuch. (although so may actually be mutes) The child never speaks any words as far as Kevan can see, someone else comes and gets Kevan after the little bird has brought in the message that Pycelle wants a word (and the little bird might have had a piece of paper with him or something). He might have said more, but the dark-haired novice with the round cheeks returned to say, “My lord, my lady, I am sorry to intrude, but there is a boy below. Grand Maester Pycelle begs the favor of the Lord Regent’s presence at once. ” Dark wings, dark words, Ser Kevan thought. Could Storm’s End have fallen? Or might this be word from Bolton in the north? “It might be news of Jaime,” the queen said. There was only one way to know. Ser Kevan rose. “Pray excuse me.” Before he took his leave, he dropped to one knee and kissed his niece upon the hand. If her silent giant failed her, it might be the last kiss she would ever know. The messenger was a boy of eight or nine, so bundled up in fur he seemed a bear cub. Trant had kept him waiting out on the drawbridge rather than admit him into Maegor’s. “Go find a fire, lad,” Ser Kevan told him, pressing a penny into his hand. “I know the way to the rookery well enough.” ***** The door was opened by a serving girl, a skinny thing in a fur-lined robe much too big for her. Ser Kevan stamped the snow off his boots, removed his cloak, tossed it to her. “The Grand Maester is expecting me,” he announced. The girl nodded, solemn and silent, and pointed to the steps. The little birds don't seem to be chirping at all... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 According to everything I've read, Daeron "The Young Dragon" Targaryen was the youngest king to sit on the Iron Throne at 14 years old. But, according to the wiki, his father Aegon III "Dragonbane" inherited the throne at age 11 at the conclusion of The Dance. Do we have the dates wrong for the war, or was there someone on the throne between Aegon II and Aegon III? Does can anyone help clear this up? I think this is one of those things that was once said in an SSM. GRRM had changed his mind. Aegon III was born in 120 AL, so he indeed inherited the throne when he was 11 years old. Daeron was only 14 years old. However, never is it stated in the books that Daeron was the youngest king to sit the throne, iirc. This came from an SSM, I think, and the information from SSM's are not asoiaf-fact until it has also appeared in the books. GRRM can say one thing in the SSM's in 2009, for instance, but if he changed his mind, he could put something else entirely in the books in 2011. The dates we have are correct. Aegon III sat on the throne from 131 AL until 157 AL, being 11 at the time of his coronation, and being 37 at the time of his death (which makes me wonder how he died, since 37 isn't that old). Daeron I was 14 when he came into his throne, in 157 AL (being born in 143 AL), and died at the age of 18 in 161 AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Dont have my book on me, but doesnt the child.who fetches Kevan to Pycelle (actually one of Varys' little birds) speak to Kevan? In which case they certainly dont all lose their tongues. My pet theory is that the thing about them surviving relates to them undergoing to same process Varys did to become a Eunuch. (although so may actually be mutes) Like Iona said, the birds don't talk to Kevan. They no longer have their tongues, so the nickname "little birds" is a very ironic one, since they cannot "sing any songs" as Varys constantly puts it. Varys and Illyrio are all about secrecy. So cutting out tongues to prevent the birds from speaking once captured fits their profile. Also, Illyrio mentions it once. There has never been any indication that the children become eunuchs. No hints, no nothing. I do think the children are killed once they grow too big to climb in silence and fit through the tiny passages in Maegors holdfast. They simply outlive their purpos, and are killed in response for it. Though I can't remember at the moment if there are any hints given about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Most of the Reach lords had little problem with the Baratheon dynasty too right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCube Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Most of the Reach lords had little problem with the Baratheon dynasty too right? It may be that Stannis' marriage to Selyse Florent kept them happy enough, as they were among the strongest of the Reach banners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 IN AGOT, why were Varys and Illyrio speaking (presumably) in the Common Tongue in the bowels of the Red Keep, and not in Valyrian or a mix of Pentoshi/Lysene dialects? Or are we to assume that Luwin had taught Arya enough Valyrian for her to understand their conversation?Perhaps they did not want to attract undue attention by speaking in a foreign tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 It may be that Stannis' marriage to Selyse Florent kept them happy enough, as they were among the strongest of the Reach banners.And they were scheming with Renly to get Robert to set aside Cersei for Margaery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harzoo Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Perhaps they did not want to attract undue attention by speaking in a foreign tongue. Maybe, but I thought they thought no one could hear them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iona Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Maybe, but I thought they thought no one could hear them. Varys was wearing a disguise, maybe he's into method acting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crow's Third Eye Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 How many children (children only, including bastards and legitimate) has Walder Frey lost? Could some kind and dedicated reader make me a list which also includes how said child died? Ps. I am not interested in grandchildren and great grandchildren etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaarioKnowsBest Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Is Dorne part of the Iron Throne Empire?Do they pay taxes to the crown swear fealty and all that stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crow's Third Eye Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Is Dorne part of the Iron Throne Empire?Do they pay taxes to the crown swear fealty and all that stuff?Empire? The Seven Kingdoms is not an empire. But yes Dorne is part of the 7Kingdoms, so it follows logically that they pay taxes to the throne. They are somewhat unique as they are the only Region which wasnt taken by conquest (IIRC) but I imagine if they didnt pay tax we would have heard about it causing unrest from other areas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Blackwood Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Is Dorne part of the Iron Throne Empire?Do they pay taxes to the crown swear fealty and all that stuff?Edit: Whoops, didn't see your post TyrionBlackfish. You explained it better than I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 And they were scheming with Renly to get Robert to set aside Cersei for Margaery. Loras was scheming with Renly. We do not know how many people were involved in that scheme. Likely there was more of Loras's family, but we don't know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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