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What do you think about Dany's last chapter in aDwD


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Just as boring as the other chapters, except for Drogon being in it a few times. He didn't do anything though. Everything that went through Dany's head seemed like the ramblings of a madwoman. Also she gets severe diarrhea for half the chapter, so that was a nice change of pace.



It probably foreshadows her taking on a more action-oriented approach as opposed to... nothing. I still don't see her losing her naiveté and impulsiveness though. She's always made decisions with her heart and not her head. She won't become super ruthless or there's no point in her character development to this point. So far, she has mostly avoided her father and brother's psychopathic lack of empathy and if that changes, she's just another mad Targaryen. She will just start doing something, which is a positive change in my opinion.


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The loyalty of what I'd assume is Jhaqo's 50 best and most trusted riders would be a good start. The rest of the Khalasar would probably fall in line. 50 riders would make a queenly (and speedy) escort for her return to Mereen as well.

A girl that can mount a beast like Drogon is what gives varnish to her plaque. The dragons still being babies they are still more like a psychological weapon than a true "death machine", but it would show her as extremely powerful to a culture that lives in the saddle. So yes I agree. Its dangerous, but she has an opportunity to go before a people and not as a beggar.

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Being found by Jhaqo isn't good news for Dany, is it? There's bad blood between the two of them. Will she be able to launch Drogon against the khalasar?

I think it's pretty safe to say that like every other time Dany has been in what seems to be a life threatening situation, it'll turn out to be a benefit to her.

Plot armor is a wonderful thing. ;)

As for how she'll turn out - I think she'll go full on Targ, with the conqueroring and "I am of Uber-blood bow down!" that goes with it.

Am really hoping she hits westeros during next book. Seems too long a wait to have her land in the final one only.

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I expect that she will be a conqueror in the Genghis Khan mode. There are many parallels to Dany's story and Temujin's story (the boy who would become the Great Khan).



Both were sold into slavery. Both were hunted by more powerful rulers who wanted them dead and their family line extinguished. Both tried to keep the existing power structure of the early cities they captured in tack or relied on the appointment of local administrators to rule wisely. These early efforts of both were failures.



When Genghis Khan learned that his ambassadors to a nearby kingdom were murdered (he was sent their heads) he responded with fire and blood. I expect that Dany will do the same when she learns about Groleo. I wouldn't be surprised to see Yunkai wiped from the map.



What mattered to Genghis Khan was family and honor. The same is true of Dany. And yet, as with any historical parallels there are major differences. Genghis Khan sold captured people into slavery and used them a living shields for his men in battle. He was very ruthless--perhaps more than book Dany will ever be.



When he captured a new city--as a matter of policy--he put the ruling class to death while promoting anybody who could be useful (scholars, clerics, artists, craftsmen, etc). This is another area of possible overlap. It will be interesting to see how Dany treats the rulers of Volantis when she gets there.



She will take care of her tribe--her new family. She will be a great friend to have and nothing but fire and blood if you're on her shit list. She will no longer be a young girl new to the ways of war...


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It wasn't a low point, because it was in nature and the low point has been Meereen. This was more like detox. It was like when you're playing pinball and the ball stops atop a ledge and if it falls one way it goes out of bounds game over and if it falls the other way you can keep playing to get a new high score, so the world came to a halt for a second until the ball started rolling back into play.


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I see it as the first step toward her going into full-on burn mode. I don't see "fire and blood, yeah!" and get excited. I actually think it just points to her turning into the antagonist I've long suspected she'll become. She's a failure as a governor so she's turning to conquering. That's one thing. But doing that does not make her admirable, a hero, a savior or anything "good." Anyone can burn shit down, it's building something up that's impressive. And there, she fell pretty flat.

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It wasn't a low point, because it was in nature and the low point has been Meereen. This was more like detox. It was like when you're playing pinball and the ball stops atop a ledge and if it falls one way it goes out of bounds game over and if it falls the other way you can keep playing to get a new high score, so the world came to a halt for a second until the ball started rolling back into play.

You know, that's a weird pair of analogies you've just made, but I agree.

She's finally in her element: a large number of smelly savages who only follow strength.

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A girl that can mount a beast like Drogon is what gives varnish to her plaque. The dragons still being babies they are still more like a psychological weapon than a true "death machine", but it would show her as extremely powerful to a culture that lives in the saddle. So yes I agree. Its dangerous, but she has an opportunity to go before a people and not as a beggar.

She will indeed be harsher because she will have learned that softly-softly doesn't work well in a harsh dog-eat-dog world. So her experience in the Dothraki Sea and her fortuitous meeting with Jhaqo will be her turning point. I think that with Drogon she'll either wow Jhaqo or conquer him and get his khalasar. IMO, she'll return to Meereen a decisive and more focused leader, which is what Quaithe was probably hinting at. And while she won't sow (certainly in Essos), that doesn't mean she has to be uber-ruthless. If as many anticipate, she takes Tyrion as an advisor, he will probably show her what practical diplomacy can achieve. If she follows his advice in handling Moqorro and Victarion, she may well be on her way to Westeros. For better or worse.

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She will indeed be harsher because she will have learned that softly-softly doesn't work well in a harsh dog-eat-dog world. So her experience in the Dothraki Sea and her fortuitous meeting with Jhaqo will be her turning point. I think that with Drogon she'll either wow Jhaqo or conquer him and get his khalasar. IMO, she'll return to Meereen a decisive and more focused leader, which is what Quaithe was probably hinting at. And while she won't sow (certainly in Essos), that doesn't mean she has to be uber-ruthless. If as many anticipate, she takes Tyrion as an advisor, he will probably show her what practical diplomacy can achieve. If she follows his advice in handling Moqorro and Victarion, she may well be on her way to Westeros. For better or worse.

Not to get off-topic, but if Tyrion were half as politically skilled as half the people on here think, he'd still be in King's Landing in some position of authority. It's because he either got completely played (Baelish/Tyrells) or manipulated (Varys) that he had to run for his life to Essos in the first place.

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I see it as the first step toward her going into full-on burn mode. I don't see "fire and blood, yeah!" and get excited. I actually think it just points to her turning into the antagonist I've long suspected she'll become. She's a failure as a governor so she's turning to conquering. That's one thing. But doing that does not make her admirable, a hero, a savior or anything "good." Anyone can burn shit down, it's building something up that's impressive. And there, she fell pretty flat.

Yep. If she really turns into a crazy conqueror, I'd be pretty disappointed, because even though she's seemed a bit crazy for awhile now, she also has a better heart than most Targaryens. She's a crap ruler and a crap leader but she has the power to make a positive difference in Westeros at the wall. It'll be such a waste if she just turns fully selfish and goes for the throne.

The biggest threat to her making a positive impact on the world and ultimately getting what she truly craves (peace, a house with a red door, someone to love, a simple life) is her own silly obsession with being a "mother"/"queen" to her people. :closedeyes:

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The final Dany chapter in aDwD finally convinced me to skip all future Dany chapters.



So I guess the biggest problem that I had with the final Dany chapter in aDwD was that it pretty much guarantees that there will be more Dany chapters in WoW.


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The biggest threat to her making a positive impact on the world is her own obsession with being a "mother"/"queen" to her people. :closedeyes:

In the future when stories are interactive we'll be able to send her wisdom points to get her out of that kind of jam, using our brain-implanted phone chips for some fee like $100,000 per vote. (there's going to be huge inflation/deflation in the future). But the other half of the nation would be voting for her to make a mess of things, also at huge cost in worthless dollars. So the end result would be that a public opinion tie goes to the author, who'd just write it the same way he always wanted to, but with added income from all the silly phone-voting.

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In the future when stories are interactive we'll be able to send her wisdom points to get her out of that kind of jam, using our brain-implanted phone chips for some fee like $100,000 per vote. (there's going to be huge inflation/deflation in the future). But the other half of the nation would be voting for her to make a mess of things, also at huge cost in worthless dollars. So the end result would be that a public opinion tie goes to the author, who'd just write it the same way he always wanted to, but with added income from all the silly phone-voting.

Hey, stories can be interactive if you write them.

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