Darkbringer Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 u·surp (y-sûrp, -zûrp)v. u·surped, u·surp·ing, u·surps v.tr.1. To seize and hold (the power or rights of another, for example) by force or without legal authority. See Synonyms at appropriate.2. To take over or occupy without right: usurp a neighbor's land.3. To take the place of (another) without legal authority; supplant.Dany had no legal right to take over Mereen according to any existing legal structure. Call her a conqueror if you like, but she is every bit a usurper as Robert. More so, in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thucydides Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 u·surp (y-sûrp, -zûrp)v. u·surped, u·surp·ing, u·surpsv.tr.1. To seize and hold (the power or rights of another, for example) by force or without legal authority. See Synonyms at appropriate.2. To take over or occupy without right: usurp a neighbor's land.3. To take the place of (another) without legal authority; supplant.Dany had no legal right to take over Mereen according to any existing legal structure. Call her a conqueror if you like, but she is every bit a usurper as Robert. More so, in fact. So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Call her a conqueror if you like, but she is every bit a usurper as Robert. More so, in fact.How so? Robert pledged fealty to Aerys as his king, Dany pledged nothing to Meereen. Robert jumped over the true heirs (the most common definition of usurper) to take the throne himself. Dany stole no throne in Meereen, because they've had no kings or queens for a thousand years.Its Aegon the conqueror, not Aegon the usurper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkbringer Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 How so? Robert pledged fealty to Aerys as his king, Dany pledged nothing to Meereen. Robert jumped over the true heirs (the most common definition of usurper) to take the throne himself. Dany stole no throne in Meereen, because they've had no kings or queens for a thousand years.Its Aegon the conqueror, not Aegon the usurper. Oh really? So what you are saying is that after slaughtering half the nobility with his nuclear option of dragons, and having his family rule after him for 300 years he gets to be called conqueror instead of usurper? Its a semantic game, one where you give the pejorative term to someone you don't like, and use the more positive term for yourself. Dany clearly usurped power, by force, away from the existing legal structure. And now its turns out she has done a shit job of transforming that society, which was her only moral (not legal) justification in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkbringer Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 How so? Robert pledged fealty to Aerys as his king, Dany pledged nothing to Meereen. Robert jumped over the true heirs (the most common definition of usurper) to take the throne himself. Dany stole no throne in Meereen, because they've had no kings or queens for a thousand years.Its Aegon the conqueror, not Aegon the usurper. And fealty is a two way street, a king has a duty to his subjects, something Robb and Stannis, and early Dany, understand. Anyway fealty has nothing to do with it. Breaking fealty makes you a rebel or an oathbreaker or a turn cloak perhaps, but does in no way define the difference between a conqueror and a usurper. And Dany did go back on her oath/word in Astapor, so there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Lover Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I love Dany, but she did usurp Meereen. They didn't meet her with a carnival did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I love Dany, but she did usurp Meereen. They didn't meet her with a carnival did they? Yes she did. But some posters deny it every now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 At the end of the day it is just semantics, and doesn't really matter. After all she will have to "usurp" her own families throne if she wants to be queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 At the end of the day it is just semantics, and doesn't really matter. After all she will have to "usurp" her own families throne if she wants to be queen. Yeah so, if she thinks Bob is a usurper, then she is too. If she doesn't think Bob is a usurper, then she is not. It's simple as that. Hypocrisy is Dany's strong trait. I hope she gets rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Yeah so, if she thinks Bob is a usurper, then she is too. If she doesn't think Bob is a usurper, then she is not. It's simple as that. Hypocrisy is Dany's strong trait. I hope she gets rid of it.Dany isn't the only character that calls Robert a usurper though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Dany isn't the only character that calls Robert a usurper though. Did i say that Dany is exclusive to that list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 At the end of the day it is just semantics, and doesn't really matter. After all she will have to "usurp" her own families throne if she wants to be queen. It matters because it shows she's a hypocrite, and its a valid criticism of her character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Lover Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 One of the many reasons I like Dany, it's because of her hypocrisy on this matter. It somehow makes her seem more human and realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 No it really doesn't matter but for some reason it makes people happy to call Dany a usurper even though I doubt anyone in the actual books would call her one for what she did in Mereen. But whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 No it really doesn't matter but for some reason it makes people happy to call Dany a usurper even though I doubt anyone in the actual books would call her one for what she did in Mereen. But whatever. Gotta love the attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Pretty pointless argument I must say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Pretty pointless argument I must say:agree: no one is gonna change their opinions based off of someone else on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 :agree: no one is gonna change their opinions based off of someone else on the internet Well then what are we doing her. Time wasting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Well then what are we doing her. Time wasting?yup, waiting for GRRM to finish TWOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Lover Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Well then what are we doing her. Time wasting? Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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