Blugenes Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 A miscarriage might be used to other purposes. Ned could deal with a child of Ashara Dayne, Lyanna, and a miscarriage and simply misrepresent the order of the births for various reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 A miscarriage might be used to other purposes. Ned could deal with a child of Ashara Dayne, Lyanna, and a miscarriage and simply misrepresent the order of the births for various reasons. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disputatious Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Huh?I take it that the idea would be to fortify the "Jon is Ashara's son" rumor, further concealing the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I take it that the idea would be to fortify the "Jon is Ashara's son" rumor, further concealing the truth. I still don't see what that has to do with Lyanna possibly having a miscarriage, something that, by the way, we have exactly zero evidence for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disputatious Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I still don't see what that has to do with Lyanna possibly having a miscarriage, something that, by the way, we have exactly zero evidence for.Agreed to the second part. As to the first I thought I heard a shifting of the argumentative gears: maybe wrongly on my part. I don't propose, however, to foist an explanation on the previous poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Creighton Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I don't pretend to know how.Well I am not trying to give you a hard time there, but if you look at the order of events of this debate it's pretty funny. If I may.1. Post 518, you attempt to remove people talking about Dany. Actually it didn't start there but that was funny.1. Post 536, Blugenes posts a small theory with the miraculous boy. Some of think that is funny cause it is. And Lyanna vanishes in time for Aegon to be her child, which is wrong as Aegon is born before she vanishes. Other reasons for Lyanna dying are given, like the bloody flux.2. Post 538, you try to explain the Bed of blood, which is canon as it is repeatedly used in multiple books with the same meaning.3. Post 544 WeaslePie is impressed with the theory from post 538. Weasle thinks Lyanna could of had two pregnancies one being a miscarriage. And that there are other ways to die in a bed of blood. Does not seem to understand the metaphor for a bed of blood. 4. Post 545, Blegenes writes another post about Aegon and Jon being full brothers via Lyanna. At this point I was a bit lost but assume this is what the poster was trying to say in the theory.5. Post 549, you attempt to explain the term bed of blood. At this point I am thinking this is probably going to confuse WeaslePie.6. Post 550, WeaslePie is confused.7. Post 551, Shah tires to explain bed of blood. And I am thinking this won't be enough.8. Post 552, you continue to try and explain it but some frustration is building. And I am thinking maybe Apple is trying the Carrot and the Stick approach she recently read about on one of her threads.9. Post 553, WeaslePie does not react well to the Carrot and the Stick. Apparently you are now derailing thread while trying to explain Bed of Blood to WeaslePie which of course is associated with Lyanna and the Tower Joy which which was brought up by Blugenes not you in the theory WeaslePie liked . Oh and it's your fault Weasel, (it is Weasel right? Been bugging me all night.) said he/she thought there could be two pregnancies, cause you gave the poster the idea. At this point I am thinking her comes the stick.10. Post 554, Rhaenys is confused about a 2 year missing Lyanna claim. Confusion is about to become a common theme.11. Post 555, Jon flowers is confused. I don't blame him.12. Post 556, Weasel now claims the gist of the topic is how long was Lyanna missing. Weasel now appears to be confused by Weasel. What happened to bed of blood and two pregnancies and a miscarriage? Weasel is confusing Weasel.13. Post 557, Apple, that would be and I only say that because confusion is running high at this point. So you once again try to explain that the use of the term Bed of blood is very "clear" (antonym for ambiguous) in the books. Then you try to explain that you have no clue about writing anything about 2 pregnancies. Then you give a little stick with the 9 months remark, which I actually thought about writing myself. But it's clear at this point Weasel believes you are confused, or at least feels you need to be confused and is trying to confuse you.14. Post 558, Ygrain gives an insightful post into bed of blood with full quotes from the text to support your comments. Did Ygrain get any credit or thanks for this? Golf clap Ygrain.15. Post 559, Weasel is back to time frame for Lyanna missing, and has added miscarriage and birth back this is very important to Weasel. Weasel also knows how long it takes to have a baby.16. Post 560, Apple, that's you, I think you need another reminder because according to Weasel you have a really bad memory. So you are totally confused over the whole miscarriage thing, which unknowingly is somehow your fault for creating the idea without your knowledge of said idea. At his point I have to say I was pretty confused myself about the importance of said miscarriage. Apple why did you create this idea without knowing you created it?17. Post 561, J. Star laughs at post 560. I think a few of us were laughing at this point.18. Post 562-564, people are now joking and laughing. This has to be a Joke right?19. Post 566, apparently not a joke, oh and math.20. Post 567, The guy from the Vale is now confused about why this miscarriage matters? And he can do math. 15 months.21. Post 568, Weasel replies to Guy from Vale, does not answer his question about why the miscarriage would matter. Weasel uses The guy from the vales number about how long Lyanna was missing. Weasel then asks when someone will answer the question about how long Lyanna was missing. Weasel is really confused by Weasel. I fell on the ground laughing at this point, and when I laugh my dog thinks it is play time and decides she needs to jump on my head and lick my ears, so more laughing cause it tickles. I am totally enjoying this thread at this point.22. Post 569, Guy from Vale is still confused, and answers the Lyanna missing time frame again at 12-15 months.23. Post 570, Apparently I can do math really well, and I am Also Will Hunting from Good Will Hunting. A hysterical post by me.24. Post 571, You are desperate to figure out the miscarriage importance. Now I am laughing, after all it supposedly came from you, and you are not stuck in the Weasel soup.25. Post 572, Weasel wants an answer to the how long Lyanna was missing again. Appearantly Weasel forgot the whole 15 months thing from just before this post, again. Oh and Weasel likes the Stark Targ intermarriages thread and wants to know if it was deleted. Wait, where did that come from, and what does it have to do with anything? The Weasel appears to be a creature that thrives on confusion.26. Post 573 You answer Weasels question about time frame. Then you go back to two full term pregnancies, which means you are confused as that was actually neither here or there. Well it was from the begining, but then dropped, I think, it's all a little confusing. Now you once again ask about the miscarriage. This is a mistake as the Weasel avoids ever answering the question. It's a trap to get you into the soup or pie or whatever the hell Weasel is making. Now you did actually write about the Stark Targ thing but it really had nothing to do with this. But it's important to remember this for later.27. 574, I am laughing my ass off at this point, and ask point blank about the miscarriage.28. 575, you are confused.29. 576, Addicted now joins the party.And Now Apple go look at the last couple of pages of Small question, you will know it when you see it. This has been very entertaining. 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addicted to snow Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Well apparently Marvin Gay was headlining at least one night at the Tourney because everyone else was getting it on… Let us keep in mind that she did have an older brother, Brandon, who set a rather promiscuous example for her to follow… I believe that it is also suggested that R's songs made the wolf-girl cry - I take this mean that the She-Wolf had a thing for R (though it is also possible, however unlikely, that GRRM mentioned her tears to let the audience know that R's story was sad). This topic is very close to heart… It reminds me of this one time when I almost got laid… but alas, she had a headache… I spent the night pondering why god gave women heads to begin with. Now, I have devoted the rest of my life to exploiting the heads that God gave women. I'm now happily married to a workaholic neurosurgeon, who brings home the bacon. This good because her enormous salary frees up my spare time to focus on my golf game. What are you guys/girl's thoughts? - Between the Tourney @ Harrenhal & Lyanna's death, Lyanna had time to carry two children to full term. - GRRM made sure to leave us with at least a subtle hint that Lyanna had feelings for (or had a crush on) Rheagar at the Harrenhal Tourney of the False Spring. It seems entirely possible that Lyanna had just given birth to her 2nd child when Ned arrived at the Tower of Joy. Though I am not sure that this is what happened, I can't definitively say that it is not what happened either. What would it do to the story if Lyanna did in fact give birth to two (live) children? Was her firstborn child a female with Targ Features? Could this explain why Ned only starts to feel that he has broken his promise to Lyanna after Varys informs him that Dany is likely dead. Looking at the bigger picture, could the interactions of R & L at the Harrenhal Tourney have triggered something that is yet unknown to the reader, something that caused the "Year of the False Spring"? Whoever started this theory may be on to something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Well I am not trying to give you a hard time there, but if you look at the order of events of this debate it's pretty funny. If I may. This is one of the finest post I have ever read in all my time on this forum. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnLion Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I love alternate theories, so I'll think along... Lyanna was missing for about... 15 months to two years, according to differing estimates on this board, so yes, presumably she could have had a baby at around the same age as "Jon." I wouldn't discount it. I've often thought Lyanna had time for 2 pregnancies, one ending in miscarriage. And yes, there are other ways to die in a bed of blood other than childbirth complications... just ask Robert or Shae. No. Lyanna was missing from a time after Aegon's birth, until shortly after the fall of King's Landing, when Aegon was one year old. She can only be gone for about one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnLion Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 What if Lyanna was knocked up during the tourney or shortly after the tourney @ Harenhal??? Would this give enough time for 2 full pregnancy terms? No. Lyanna was not dishonored, or Ned would know. The tourney was at least 21 months before the fall of King's Landing. It was followed by about a year of winter. It is possible that Lyanna, Ned, Brandon, and Benjen went directly from the tourney back to Winterfell, and wintered there. During that wintering the plans for the betrothals are made, and Lyanna makes her protest. After winter Brandon's betrothal is announced in Riverrun, and Littlefinger makes his challenge. Brandon answers the challenge, then leaves for a "short time" on an errand. When returning from his errand, Brandon receives word that has him make for King's Landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Gwynhyfvar Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 No. Lyanna was not dishonored, or Ned would know. The tourney was at least 21 months before the fall of King's Landing. It was followed by about a year of winter. It is possible that Lyanna, Ned, Brandon, and Benjen went directly from the tourney back to Winterfell, and wintered there. During that wintering the plans for the betrothals are made, and Lyanna makes her protest. After winter Brandon's betrothal is announced in Riverrun, and Littlefinger makes his challenge. Brandon answers the challenge, then leaves for a "short time" on an errand. When returning from his errand, Brandon receives word that has him make for King's Landing. I agree with this. I'd expand to add that it's possible Ned and Brandon left WF together to travel to the Eyrie & Riverrun respectively. I also strongly suspect that Brandon's errand was to meet Lyanna and her escort on the Kingsroad so that she could attend his wedding before traveling south for own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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