Small Questions v 10020

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

I feel like at some point early in the series it is said that the dragons come from the Shadow Lands beyond Asshai. Do I remember this correctly? If so, do you think we'll ever get to "see" Asshai or the Shadow? And is Quaithe trying to lead Dani there?

Though GRRM originally intended for Dany to go to Asshai (which is why it is mentioned so many times), he has decided that she will no longer go - there's simply no time. Instead, we will get to see Asshai through memories, or perhaps we already have, in Melissandre's POV, where she remembers herself being auctioned off. It could be that that was the Asshai-part of the story, it could be that there will be more.

[Sansa_Stark]

Was Cersei actually going to let Ned go back to WF if he bent the knee to Joff?

Before he got arrested I mean.

[sertravisredbeard]

Probably, but the conditions were that he would announce Joffrey as the heir and king. If he did that, Cersei would have let him go. He got himself killed by "usurping" Joffrey and denying that he was Robert's trueborn heir.

In her POV chapters in Feast and Dance she laments how everything would have been different if Joff hadn't decided to take Ned's head off. She thought he was being sent north to the Wall right up until Ned's head was rolling around on the ground.

[Lost Melnibonean]

Was Cersei actually going to let Ned go back to WF if he bent the knee to Joff?

Before he got arrested I mean.

No the deal brokered by Varys and advised by LF was for the Ned to take the Black.

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

No the deal brokered by Varys and advised by LF was for the Ned to take the Black.

That deal was made after the arrest. The peaceful solution, before they had gotten word of Roberts "accident" was for Ned to name Joff king and return to Winterfell. When Ned chose to give the throne to Stannis, the NW came into play.

[Lost Melnibonean]

That deal was made after the arrest. The peaceful solution, before they had gotten word of Roberts "accident" was for Ned to name Joff king and return to Winterfell. When Ned chose to give the throne to Stannis, the NW came into play.

Oh, sorry I misread the Q. In that case the answer would be, "Are you kidding? No way."

[Mithras]

“How many men-at-arms accompanied Ser Ronnet to the city?” Ser Kevan asked.

“Twenty,” said Lord Randyll Tarly, “and most of them Gregor Clegane’s old lot. Your nephew Jaime gave them to Connington. To rid himself of them, I’d wager. They had not been in Maidenpool a day before one killed a man and another was accused of rape. I had to hang the one and geld the other. If it were up to me, I would send them all to the Night’s Watch, and Connington with them. The Wall is where such scum belong.”

Jaime sent Robin Ryger and Desmond Grell along with Raff the Sweetling to Maidenpool to accompany them to the Wall safely. Does the bolded part mean that some of the Mountain's men left with them for the Eastwatch? Or Robin and Desmond escaped on the way to Maidenpool and Mountain's men are keeping their mouths shut about it?

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

“How many men-at-arms accompanied Ser Ronnet to the city?” Ser Kevan asked.

“Twenty,” said Lord Randyll Tarly, “and most of them Gregor Clegane’s old lot. Your nephew Jaime gave them to Connington. To rid himself of them, I’d wager. They had not been in Maidenpool a day before one killed a man and another was accused of rape. I had to hang the one and geld the other. If it were up to me, I would send them all to the Night’s Watch, and Connington with them. The Wall is where such scum belong.”

Jaime sent Robin Ryger and Desmond Grell along with Raff the Sweetling to Maidenpool to accompany them to the Wall safely. Does the bolded part mean that some of the Mountain's men left with them for the Eastwatch? Or Robin and Desmond escaped on the way to Maidenpool and Mountain's men are keeping their mouths shut about it?

Robin Ryger and Desmon Grell were Riverrun men who choose to take the Black, and Raff the Sweetling had the command over the twenty men who previously belonged to Gregor, and who were to escort Grell and Ryger to Maidenpool, to take ship there I assume to travel to Eastwatch.

I think what Tarly is trying to say here, is that he would sent Gregor's men to the Wall, if he was allowed to make that decision. He finds these men foul enough to send them there, he sees them as scum, people who will rape and murder as they please. I doubt any of Gregor's men left for the Wall, they were only instructed to accompany the two Riverrun men until Maidenpool. Once on a ship, these two men could no longer escape. And their next destination was Eastwatch, so they'd be at the Wall.

[Mithras]

Robin Ryger and Desmon Grell were Riverrun men who choose to take the Black, and Raff the Sweetling had the command over the twenty men who previously belonged to Gregor, and who were to escort Grell and Ryger to Maidenpool, to take ship there I assume to travel to Eastwatch.

I think what Tarly is trying to say here, is that he would sent Gregor's men to the Wall, if he was allowed to make that decision. He finds these men foul enough to send them there, he sees them as scum, people who will rape and murder as they please. I doubt any of Gregor's men left for the Wall, they were only instructed to accompany the two Riverrun men until Maidenpool. Once on a ship, these two men could no longer escape. And their next destination was Eastwatch, so they'd be at the Wall.

Jaime told them to make sure that the two men reach the Wall safely. I think that involves some of them have to accompany them all the way to the wall. We know that much from Sam and Waymar. Who went with them to the Wall?

[Brienne The Wolf]

Would Jon want to sit the Iron Throne? If R+L=J I mean. And would he be able to?

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Jaime told them to make sure that the two men reach the Wall safely. I think that involves some of them have to accompany them all the way to the wall. We know that much from Sam and Waymar. Who went with them to the Wall?

In that case, I suppose Randyl Tarly sent some men along with the two Riverrun men. Gregor's men show up at KL. If they had let the two Riverrun men escape, they would not have reached KL without receiving punishments from the throne. They most likely would have been send to the Wall instead themselves.

[Ser Leftwich]

Jaime told them to make sure that the two men reach the Wall safely. I think that involves some of them have to accompany them all the way to the wall. We know that much from Sam and Waymar. Who went with them to the Wall?

Ronnet was also to deliver Wylis Manderly to Maidenpool. Ronnet would pass that on to whomever was in charge at Maidenpool (Tarly?).

Why could Ryger and Grell not be expected to, once put on a ship, to honor their word to go to Eastwatch and take the Black?

[RumHam]

Ronnet was also to deliver Wylis Manderly to Maidenpool. Ronnet would pass that on to whomever was in charge at Maidenpool (Tarly?).

Why could Ryger and Grell not be expected to, once put on a ship, to honor their word to go to Eastwatch and take the Black?

Yeah they joined voluntarily, they weren't sent there as punishment.

[not in the face]

If the White Bull wielded Vigilance, it would have been noted by Jaime or anyone for that manner right? So that is not a fighting sword or just the head of the family gets to wield it maybe? What do you think the deal is?

[Mithras]

I checked and Jaime's command only included passage to Maidenpool. But still, that does not mean they are free to do what they want. They were convicted to leave their arms or join the NW. This makes you a sort of prisoner. Therefore, we should expect some people have to go with them. And Tarly's words suggest that some of the Mountain's men went with them.

[RumHam]

If the White Bull wielded Vigilance, it would have been noted by Jaime or anyone for that manner right? So that is not a fighting sword or just the head of the family gets to wield it maybe? What do you think the deal is?

The White Bull wasn't the Lord of Hightower, so I don't think he'd get the sword. Normally they are held by the lord, or his heir if the lord is too old for combat. There are exceptions like Lady Forlorn. The situation with Dawn seems to be that it goes to the best knight of the house and only if they are worthy (no one wields it currently.)

I checked and Jaime's command only included passage to Maidenpool. But still, that does not mean they are free to do what they want. They were convicted to leave their arms or join the NW. This makes you a sort of prisoner. Therefore, we should expect some people have to go with them. And Tarly's words suggest that some of the Mountain's men went with them.

They weren't convicted of a crime. The entire garrison was compelled to leave their arms behind, not just the two who chose to take the black.

[Mithras]

They weren't convicted of a crime. The entire garrison was compelled to leave their arms behind, not just the two who chose to take the black.

They are guilty of taking arms against the king and high treason. Jaime spared their lives only if they leave their arms and swear fealty to the king or take the black. In both cases, they have to accept these terms or beheaded as a traitor.

[Lady Gwynhyfvar]

They weren't convicted of a crime. The entire garrison was compelled to leave their arms behind, not just the two who chose to take the black.

I could be wrong, but I think only the garrison are specified as giving up arms and armor. In Jaime's exchange with the Blackfish where he first offers the option of taking the black it is an either/or proposition-- either serve Lord Emmon, give up arms and go free, or take the black. Presumably as men of the NW they will require both arms and armor.

Also I think the twenty men under Red Ronnet are a different lot. Raff was sent to Maidenpool with Ryger and Grell and an escort of twelve.

[Ser Leftwich]

They are guilty of taking arms against the king and high treason. Jaime spared their lives only if they leave their arms and swear fealty to the king or take the black. In both cases, they have to accept these terms or beheaded as a traitor.

“As you wish,” said Jaime, though it was a bloody nuisance. He allowed them to keep their arms and armor, and assigned a dozen of Gregor Clegane’s men to escort the two of them to Maidenpool. The command he gave to Rafford, the one they called the Sweetling. “See to it that the prisoners reach Maidenpool unspoiled,” he told the man, “or what Ser Gregor did to the Goat will seem a jolly lark compared to what I’ll do to you.” AFfC p.668

Jaime only says Maidenpool. Jaime is expecting Grell and Ryger to go to the Wall upon their honor as knights.

[RumHam]

I could be wrong, but I think only the garrison are specified as giving up arms and armor. In Jaime's exchange with the Blackfish where he first offers the option of taking the black it is an either/or proposition-- either serve Lord Emmon, give up arms and go free, or take the black. Presumably as men of the NW they will require both arms and armor.

Also I think the twenty men under Red Ronnet are a different lot. Raff was sent to Maidenpool with Ryger and Grell and an escort of twelve.

Oops yeah my bad. I just re-read that book too.