Mychel_Redfort Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 At the end of aDwD, who shall have the better claim on Winterfell against Ramsay Bolton, knowing that : * Robb is dead * Sansa has disappeared * Arya has disappeared and passes for dead * Bran and Rickon pass for dead * Jon seems to have been killed * Neither Brandon, nor Lyanna and Benjen have heirs For the other Houses, which have all or some of these informations, who shall be the legitimate heir ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crow's Third Eye Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Do we actually know what the cost of hiring a faceless man is? I am re-reading Arya at the moment so i suppose I will find out soon enough if noone replies, but I cant seem to find whether a price of gold is stated or anyting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahoy! Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 No. Knighthood isn't inherited, though if you are a commoner your father being a knight greatly increases the chances that you will become a knight. (He can knight you, you can inherit his horse and armor.) If so what title does the heir have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostcause Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Ok I've seen this mentoined/hinted at several times and now I need to know hehe. I'm not too familiar with the boards so bear with me: What is Ran's connection to GRRM? Does he help in the editting process of the books or similar? He seems to know more than most mere mortals would. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 If so what title does the heir have?None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apovsic Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Some questions about Aegon's conquest: 1.) Why did Torrhen marched south of the neck? I mean, what is the worst that you can do, when you fight against dragons. To field entire army in open field army. And from what I know, that was Torrhen plan? Uh? 2.) How did Aegon conquer Eyrie? To me it seems that Eyrie is the hardest place to conquer with dragons(well North might be tougher), because you can hide from in mountain from the dragons and Bloody Gate seems hard to take, even with dragons. 3.) Did he even try to conquer Dorne? If not, why not, from what I know, he had the plan to take all the Westeros. And if Dorne defeated him at the mountain passages, why didn't the same work for tha Eyrie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Maester Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 If so what title does the heir have? I would assume that if a landed night had some peasants or such working for him they'd refer to him as "milord", as they might do with a ser too but, yeah, a heir of a landed knight does not seem to hold any official title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Egeman Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Some questions about Aegon's conquest: 1.) Why did Torrhen marched south of the neck? I mean, what is the worst that you can do, when you fight against dragons. To field entire army in open field army. And from what I know, that was Torrhen plan? Uh? 2.) How did Aegon conquer Eyrie? To me it seems that Eyrie is the hardest place to conquer with dragons(well North might be tougher), because you can hide from in mountain from the dragons and Bloody Gate seems hard to take, even with dragons. 3.) Did he even try to conquer Dorne? If not, why not, from what I know, he had the plan to take all the Westeros. And if Dorne defeated him at the mountain passages, why didn't the same work for tha Eyrie?1) I think he heard about the dragons later, but fighting in a castle (Harrenhal) isn't very useful against dragons either.2) The King of House Arryn was a child. He requested to ride a dragon, he did and swore fealty.3) Dorne used guerrila tactics and one of his sisters died in the attempt(probably Visenya) IIRC and he lost a dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crow's Third Eye Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Some questions about Aegon's conquest: 1.) Why did Torrhen marched south of the neck? I mean, what is the worst that you can do, when you fight against dragons. To field entire army in open field army. And from what I know, that was Torrhen plan? Uh? 2.) How did Aegon conquer Eyrie? To me it seems that Eyrie is the hardest place to conquer with dragons(well North might be tougher), because you can hide from in mountain from the dragons and Bloody Gate seems hard to take, even with dragons. 3.) Did he even try to conquer Dorne? If not, why not, from what I know, he had the plan to take all the Westeros. And if Dorne defeated him at the mountain passages, why didn't the same work for tha Eyrie?1) Dont know2) Didnt one of Aegon's sister-wives (Visenya iirc?) ride to the Vale on her Dragon and give the young Lord of the Eyrie a ride on her Dragon, thus winning the allegiance of the Vale? 3) I think he did try to conquer Dorne as we know that one of the three dragons (Vhagar? not sure will check though) was killed in Dorne. I am not sure how he didnt conquer them though, i seem to think it was due to the fact that Dorne is very sparsely populated and so it wasnt possible to march armies across the desert etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apovsic Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 1) I think he heard about the dragons later, but fighting in a castle (Harrenhal) isn't very useful against dragons either. Yes this is true, but why in the first place was he in the south(it wasn't in his kingdom IIRC)? Why didn't he wait in Moat Caillin, like all the kings before him in the time of Andal invasion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Do we actually know what the cost of hiring a faceless man is? I am re-reading Arya at the moment so i suppose I will find out soon enough if noone replies, but I cant seem to find whether a price of gold is stated or anytingAs you say you'll find out shortly. My understanding is that it requires prayer and material sacrifice based on the client's ability to pay and the profile of the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Yes this is true, but why in the first place was he in the south(it wasn't in his kingdom IIRC)? Why didn't he wait in Moat Caillin, like all the kings before him in the time of Andal invasion?I thought it was mentioned that he was planning to link up with the other armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosimaistheHottest Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 1) I think he heard about the dragons later, but fighting in a castle (Harrenhal) isn't very useful against dragons either.2) The King of House Arryn was a child. He requested to ride a dragon, he did and swore fealty.3) Dorne used guerrila tactics and one of his sisters died in the attempt(probably Visenya) IIRC and he lost a dragon. 2. Although the Arryn fleet won the battle, but then Visenya/Vhagar burned the Arryn fleet with dragonfire. After that Visenya flew to the castle and swooped down. Queen Shara pledge the Eyrie's featly. The little King got to ride on the dragon.3. It was Rhaenys who tried and failed to conquer Dorne and later died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 1) Dont know2) Didnt one of Aegon's sister-wives (Visenya iirc?) ride to the Vale on her Dragon and give the young Lord of the Eyrie a ride on her Dragon, thus winning the allegiance of the Vale? 3) I think he did try to conquer Dorne as we know that one of the three dragons (Vhagar? not sure will check though) was killed in Dorne. I am not sure how he didnt conquer them though, i seem to think it was due to the fact that Dorne is very sparsely populated and so it wasnt possible to march armies across the desert etcMeraxes got whacked in Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apovsic Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I thought it was mentioned that he was planning to link up with the other armies.OK, that make sense. How long was from field of fire and kneeling of Torrhen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 2. Although the Arryn fleet won the battle, but then Visenya/Vhagar burned the Arryn fleet with dragonfire. After that Visenya flew to the castle and swooped down. Queen Shara pledge the Eyrie's featly. The little King got to ride on the dragon. I don't remember the detail about the Arryn fleet being burnt, I don't suppose you have another report of that reading other than this one? That would be a nice little christmas present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosimaistheHottest Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I don't remember the detail about the Arryn fleet being burnt, I don't suppose you have another report of that reading other than this one? That would be a nice little christmas present. If I am not mistaken, it had to do with the Battle of Gulltown during the Conquest. I can't remember where. I know they have a wiki about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 do we know of any mad starks as in old stark lords and kingsThis one wasn't exactly mad but his description makes it worth noting:When old King Edrick Stark had grown too feeble to defend his realm, the Wolf’s Den was capturedby slavers from the Stepstones. They would brand their captives with hot irons and break them to the whip before shipping them off across the sea,and these same black stone walls bore witness.“Then a long cruel winter fell,” said Ser Bartimus. “The White Knife froze hard, and even the firth was icing up. The winds came howling from thenorth and drove them slavers inside to huddle round their fires, and whilst they warmed themselves the new king come down on them. BrandonStark this was, Edrick Snowbeard’s great-grandson, him that men called Ice Eyes. He took the Wolf’s Den back, stripped the slavers naked, andgave them to the slaves he’d found chained up in the dungeons. It’s said they hung their entrails in the branches of the heart tree, as an offering tothe gods. The old gods, not these new ones from the south. Your Seven don’t know winter, and winter don’t know them.” Ok I've seen this mentoined/hinted at several times and now I need to know hehe. I'm not too familiar with the boards so bear with me: What is Ran's connection to GRRM? Does he help in the editting process of the books or similar? He seems to know more than most mere mortals would. Thanks in advance.Since no one has answered you, these are his boards, and he is kind of like the yoda of Ice and Fire knowledge. Or at least that's the way I look at it. He and Linda are also the ones who are inputting to the WoIaF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 This one wasn't exactly mad but his description makes it worth noting: Since no one has answered you, these are his boards, and he is kind of like the yoda of Ice and Fire knowledge. Or at least that's the way I look at it. He and Linda are also the ones who are inputting to the WoIaF. Thanks. So do those who join the Warrior's sons give up claims to lands like NW and KG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostcause Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Since no one has answered you, these are his boards, and he is kind of like the yoda of Ice and Fire knowledge. Or at least that's the way I look at it. He and Linda are also the ones who are inputting to the WoIaF. Thanks a bunch. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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