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Cersei as been mistrustful of everyone since we met her. She only feels contempt or fear. And she turns the fear into anger. She's one mucked up individual.

ETA: I think she trusted her father (and that he could keep his allies in check) until he wanted to marry her off.

oh right thanks.

Varys never knew where Arya was after she escaped in AGOT right?

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Varys never knew where Arya was after she escaped in AGOT right?

It is never outright stated in the text. I believe no, he really failed this time, she managed to slip past his spidery hands.

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His daughter Eddara became his heir after Benfred (son) and Leobald's (brother) death, so when he died she took legitimate control of it (although she was the Ironborn's captive, presumably now freed). Her title is stated by the wiki to be ''Lady of Torrhen's Square'', which doesn't really give us any clues as to whether or not they've adapted the southern custom of knighood. I guess we'll have to wait and hope for some more mention.

Interestingly, Helman's brother had two sons himself, I'm curious as to why neither of them inherited the Tallhart lands before Eddara. Presumably if she marries, Torrhen's Square will pass out of Tallhart control, in name at least. This situation pretty much identically mirrors the situation at the start of the Dance of Dragons, actually. Maybe we'll get to see ''The Dance of the Wild Hares'' before the end.

Isn't Eddara's situation the same one as that of Alys Karstark? There are still uncles and cousins of her father around, yet she became the heir to Karhold.

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Isn't Eddara's situation the same one as that of Alys Karstark? There are still uncles and cousins of her father around, yet she became the heir to Karhold.

Alys is the heir to her brother Harrion, who is the Lord. Her uncles are banking on him not surviving his captivity and seizing the Karhold via Alys' claim. Lady Eddara, as the only surviving child of Helman, has apparently inherited Torrhen's Square outright, with her cousin Brandon as her heir. Of course the fate of the Tallharts is up for debate since, as far as we know, they all remain captives of the Ironborn in their own holdfast.

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Her girls were nice as well; Blushing Bethany and the Sailor’s Wife, one-eyed Yna who could tell your fortune from a drop of blood, pretty little Lanna, even Assadora, the Ibbenese woman with the mustache. They might not be beautiful, but they were kind to her.



These are prostitutes working for Merry. Yna looks interesting dont you think?


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Why is there a distinction made between "Queen's Men" and "King's Men"? Shouldn't they all be Stannis's men? It took me ages to realize GRRM was referring to Selyse because I had considered her so inconsquential.


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Why is there a distinction made between "Queen's Men" and "King's Men"? Shouldn't they all be Stannis's men? It took me ages to realize GRRM was referring to Selyse because I had considered her so inconsquential.

The Queen's men are the members of Stannis' court who have converted to the faith of R'hllor. Selyse was the first one on Dragonstone to convert. Calling the converted men "Qyeen's" men points to the fact that Selyse is a vocal supported of Melissandre and R'hllor, her God, more so than Stannis himself is. It also helps to keeps them appart form the King's men, those who are following Stannis yet have kept the Faith of the Seven.

An alternative interpretation, though unofficial, is that the word "Queen" refers to Melissandre, who is closer to Stannis than Selyse is, and that it is Melissandre the Queen's men are loyal to, not Selyse.

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Her girls were nice as well; Blushing Bethany and the Sailor’s Wife, one-eyed Yna who could tell your fortune from a drop of blood, pretty little Lanna, even Assadora, the Ibbenese woman with the mustache. They might not be beautiful, but they were kind to her.

These are prostitutes working for Merry. Yna looks interesting dont you think?

Funnily enough they could all arguably have counterparts in Westeros:

Blushing Bethany - Sansa who is noticeably uncomfortable with Mya's taljs of sex

Sailor’s Wife - Asha for obvious reasons

one-eyed Yna who could tell your fortune from a drop of blood - Tricky to give her a counterpart but I will say either Melisandre or GoHH

pretty little Lanna - Cersei or even Myrcella given that Cersei is no longer as young as she once was. The name Lanna immediately makes me think of Lannisters.

even Assadora, the Ibbenese woman with the mustache - need I say more? :lol:

Anyway that was just what I initially thought, but what was your point about Yna?

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Her girls were nice as well; Blushing Bethany and the Sailor’s Wife, one-eyed Yna who could tell your fortune from a drop of blood, pretty little Lanna, even Assadora, the Ibbenese woman with the mustache. They might not be beautiful, but they were kind to her.

These are prostitutes working for Merry. Yna looks interesting dont you think?

Are you hinting at Maggi the Frog sucking people's... fingers... in Braavos under a glamour or something... :O

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The Queen's men are the members of Stannis' court who have converted to the faith of R'hllor. Selyse was the first one on Dragonstone to convert. Calling the converted men "Qyeen's" men points to the fact that Selyse is a vocal supported of Melissandre and R'hllor, her God, more so than Stannis himself is. It also helps to keeps them appart form the King's men, those who are following Stannis yet have kept the Faith of the Seven.

An alternative interpretation, though unofficial, is that the word "Queen" refers to Melissandre, who is closer to Stannis than Selyse is, and that it is Melissandre the Queen's men are loyal to, not Selyse.

Thanks. I do recall that list bit, I think it was mentioned somewhere in ADWD.

So it is safe to assume then, that as long as Melisandre continues to support Stannis, so do the Queen's men? Even in the event Selyse dies? (I think she bites it very shortly)

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Thanks. I do recall that list bit, I think it was mentioned somewhere in ADWD.

So it is safe to assume then, that as long as Melisandre continues to support Stannis, so do the Queen's men? Even in the event Selyse dies? (I think she bites it very shortly)

I'd say so, yeah. If Mel were to go against Stannis then we'd probably have a similar situation as in King Maegor's reign with the Uprising of the Faith where followers would be forced to choose between their faith and their Gods.

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I'd say so, yeah. If Mel were to go against Stannis then we'd probably have a similar situation as in King Maegor's reign with the Uprising of the Faith where followers would be forced to choose between their faith and their Gods.

I would agree with this too. Its pretty clear that the Queen's Men are now utterly devotes to R'hllor (what I call the true Queens Men anyway, not like Clayton Suggs who loves only the power of the Red God and the morbidity of burning people IMO) and by extension Melisandre. If Mel were to suddenly declare that Stannis was NOT AA, that she had made an error and it was in fact *insert favourite theory/candidate here* then they would all up and leave with her to support whoever she claimed to be AA. The only way I could see this NOT happening is related to Varys' riddle of where power lies; if Mel loses her illusion of power, she loses the Queens Men

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Thanks. I do recall that list bit, I think it was mentioned somewhere in ADWD.

So it is safe to assume then, that as long as Melisandre continues to support Stannis, so do the Queen's men? Even in the event Selyse dies? (I think she bites it very shortly)

Yeah, I think this would be the case. If Selyse dies, all of Selye's supporters will continue to support Melissandre. Selyse is a Queen in name, and so they tell her everything she wants to hear, so they can get favors from her (like Selyse wanting her "right hand" to marry Val, the "princess"). That is why they are forming around Selyse. But the real base of power is not Selyse, but Melissandre, who holds the power over the king.

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Am I the only one who thinks that Arya's life is constantly under a threat while she's in the House of Black and White?


I mean, the kindly man shows her some of the FM's secrets. When he keeps asking her if she wants to go somewhere else, but do you actually believe his words?


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Am I the only one who thinks that Arya's life is constantly under a threat while she's in the House of Black and White?

I mean, the kindly man shows her some of the FM's secrets. When he keeps asking her if she wants to go somewhere else, but do you actually believe his words?

I can see him actually giving her an out at those moments, which she declines. However, now that she's starting her intership, I don't think there is an easy way out anymore.

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