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Will the Wall Fall?


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I also hope it happens sooner rather than later. But some other developments need to go down first throughout Westeros.



It is going to be amazing for the news of the The Fall of the Wall to enter into different characters' POV. But the dilemmas they are in would be way less climactic with news of the Wall being down. It would probably be alarming to hear news of the nights watch deserted, and wildings/others coming down into the kingdoms. The trial in King's landing, Aegon's arch and potential for lords all over uniting again under a dragon banner, the development of the sand snakes, jaime and unCat, and everything in the Vale. It would seem that it may still be a while until the plot changes to the point where the people all over westeros go "oh shit, what are we fighting over?"



Then again, it would be awesome if the wall falls, but nobody really gives a shit in the South. They still think there are no Others, and the Northmen can deal with the damn Wildlings, they are half wild themselves.



All I can say is it is going to be great!


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The Wall is maintained by magic. When that magic is destroyed whether by a magic horn or anything else I envisage it dissolving into a great mass of ice crystals blowing away in the wind, rather than actually toppling over or melting.

I've always assumed without even thinking about it that the ice keeps out the wights/wildlings, while the wards keep out the Others. There won't be any lakes. lol

Once they get the ward down they can bring the wights through any breach they happen to make.

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I put a +1 on the Wall is going to fail camp.

But it will not fall down due to the cold winds raising. Cold winds are something the old men know, not something special.
Jon's death, even Ser Puddle's death (expecially if glorified in front of a tree and with ravens as in the TV show) the lack of a Stark in Winterfell, or things like that are more probable causes to me.
In any case, magic, blood and sacrifice or lack of it, as in this saga's themes.

EDIT: i forgot to write why: because of the rupture of the Pact, the one brokered by the Last Hero.

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I don't think the wall will topple. The rubble from a 700ft wall of ice would be massive and still serve as a pretty decent barrier. I think it will lose it's magic power to keep the others at bay and they will simply pass through it.


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I don't know if the wall will come down, but if it does it would be near the very end at the conclusion of the song (battle) of ice and fire and be somewhat symbolic of the the berlin wall coming down.



Could fit with the theory the east=west north=south backwards=forward ice=fire right=wrong (with = meaning parallel not the same), basically that people should except each others differences/equality, blah blah blah.


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I always thought a dragon, maybe crazed, maybe controlled through the dragon horn, would bring down the Wall or at least a portion of it. But then, there's the other horn, though it's probably too far away. Maybe that one can replace the destroyed wards?



I guess the wards may be connected to the Night's Watch willingness to fight for their wall. Maybe Jon dies or comes back, either way, that would only bring morale to even lower levels. Eventually, I believe the Watch would simply run away at the sight of the Others and their wights, and without Watchers, the Wall would lose its magic.


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I think the magic of the Wall will be dispelled and hundred of thousands of wights will come climbing up along with giant ice spiders. It will be a sight to see and piss. Actually Dolorous Edd had a dream in which he was the last man standing and pissing on top of the Wall when the horn of joramun was blown. I think after the NW is wiped out, the Others may open passings in the ice. The foreshadowing for this mass climb up is given in Jon's dream where he was the only one left and hacking the corpses coming up with his burning sword. There is also this:



The Wall has stood for what, eight thousand years?”



The Long Night has come before. Oh, eight thousand years is a good while, to be sure…”



As the sun was gilding the distant spires of Dragonstone [Dany names the hill where Drogon made his lair as Dragonstone], Dany stumbled onto a low stone wall, overgrown and broken. Perhaps it had been part of a temple, or the hall of the village lord. More ruins lay beyond it—an old well, and some circles in the grass that marked the sites where hovels had once stood. They had been built of mud and straw, she judged, but long years of wind and rain had worn them away to nothing. Dany found eight before the sun went down, but there might have been more farther out, hidden in the grass.


The stone wall had endured better than the rest. Though it was nowhere more than three feet high, the angle where it met another, lower wall still offered some shelter from the elements, and night was coming on fast. Dany wedged herself into that corner, making a nest of sorts by tearing up handfuls of the grass that grew around the ruins.


As the world darkened, Dany settled in and closed her eyes, but sleep refused to come. The night was cold, the ground hard, her belly empty. She found herself thinking of Meereen, of Daario, her love, and Hizdahr, her husband, of Irri and Jhiqui and sweet Missandei, Ser Barristan and Reznak and Skahaz Shavepate.



Dany comes across a wall in her last chapter in ADwD, she counts 8 circles that marked the sites where hovels had once stood. I think the wall and the number eight clearly symbolizes the Wall which had been built eight thousand years ago. We also note how the night is coming, the world is darkening and the night is growing cold.



The next morning she woke stiff and sore and aching, with ants crawling on her arms and legs and face. When she realized what they were, she kicked aside the stalks of dry brown grass that had served as her bed and blanket and struggled to her feet. She had bites all over her, little red bumps, itchy and inflamed. Where did all the ants come from? Dany brushed them from her arms and legs and belly. She ran a hand across her stubbly scalp where her hair had burned away, and felt more ants on her head, and one crawling down the back of her neck. She knocked them off and crushed them under her bare feet. There were so many …


It turned out that their anthill was on the other side of her wall. She wondered how the ants had managed to climb over it and find her. To them these tumbledown stones must loom as huge as the Wall of Westeros. The biggest wall in all the world, her brother Viserys used to say, as proud as if he’d built it himself.



Those ants coming from the other side of the Wall and biting all over Dany are definitely wights. The ants are coming over the Wall, which means the ward on the Wall is dispelled. To press this point further, GRRM mentions the Wall itself here.


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The idea that the Wall's falling would cause massive physical devastation is just propaganda by remnants of the Night Watch; the Others planned for this, and can use their tractor beams magic to shunt the debris through a hyperspace wormhole magic portal, keeping the Ewoks Wights safe.


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The idea that the Wall's falling would cause massive physical devastation is just propaganda by remnants of the Night Watch; the Others planned for this, and can use their tractor beams magic to shunt the debris through a hyperspace wormhole magic portal, keeping the Ewoks Wights safe.

We need more Tachyon particles...

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I think the Wall in its current state is a geographical feature, a force of nature really. Can Mount Everest suddenly fall? No, so I don't think the Wall won't physically, suddenly fall. Instead, I think, the Wall will fall in the metaphorical way because the men guarding it will be incompetent/evil etc. In fact, Jon's assassination sets this up, because Jon was the single thread holding the Wildings, the Watch and Stannis' men together. Now all three factions will be at each other's throats, leading to an open invasion by the Others.


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