lokisnow Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I've really got no dog in the Esmenet vs Maithanet in WLW conversation, but just to clarify: quoting the text regarding Esmenet is not allowed because it's digging deep? Is it because challenging sweeping generalizations with textual refutation is cheating?Does this ever happen? Seems like an artifact from when this was a D&D campaign, referencing clerics who can heal.I don't know, I've never played D&D, so all references fly over my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Does this ever happen? Seems like an artifact from when this was a D&D campaign, referencing clerics who can heal. Why would it be that? Even if you don't think it happens, it's certainly the kind of thing Leweth would believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaston de Foix Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Does this ever happen? Seems like an artifact from when this was a D&D campaign, referencing clerics who can heal. Isn't this what Psatma is? A Priest who moves the Gods' to grant men respite from tyranny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sci-2 Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Isn't this what Psatma is? A Priest who moves the Gods' to grant men respite from tyranny? Hmmmm...that is a good point. Though I've never been clear on how much the public knows about that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Seswatha Jordan Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 For some reason, this scene brings out the worst in the denizens of this board. (And, yes, I believe that even the phrase brings out the worst was able to trigger some fecal connotation with these people.) Heres my best explanation: Souls are all connected. In fact, they are pin-pricks to the Outside, where your soul and mine are part of some huge meta-soul, which may (or may not) be identical to the God. Distance has no meaning in the outside; all souls are simultaneously here. It is only in their (temporary) projection in the physical world where souls experience distantness. Thats how the cants of calling work; thats also how teleportation works: they make the soul forget their distantness, unifying space for a moment. At the point of His resurrection, Kellhus is as close to the God as hell ever get. (This is the Holiest moment in the entire books. In our own theologies, it corresponds to the moment where Christ is Risen, or the Prophet ascends. Epic level. Whatever the metaphysics of the fictional setting allows: now is the moment.) So Kellhus reaches into the physical location of his soul (namely, his ribcage). His Holy Wife has just died according to Scripture; no two souls were ever closer. He reaches into the Outside whatever that means, grabs her heart (which is right there, whatever that means), and rips it out. Crazy? No more crazy than whole demons being summoned, which we know can be done because weve even had a POV from them. Clearly, stuff can move between Out- and Inside. I think it makes complete sense within the metaphysical framework.Your on to something. And I believe your explanation makes most since. Someone was saying it couldn't be magic because thereafter kelhuss was wearing a chorae. But we know chora doesn't effect the cish. Therefore it was obviously Cish magic.Unless I'm mistaking in that cish are immune chorae. I could be. If I am please diregard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Chorae does affect the Cishaurim. They aren't affected in precisely the same way as sorcerers - they are described to go up in a flash of light. But they still get destroyed, all the same. Cish don't bear the mark. Their sorceries don't mark the onta either. But contradiction waits for no snakehead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentRoamer Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Thanks for clarification Kalbear. We don't know at what stage someone crosses into a full Cishaurim though do we? As in how much Cish magic is required until a Chorae will take effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSumm Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Why have we gone back to XXII? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Ent Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 The thread was not properly closed by the moderators. Sometimes, threads from the Outside leak into reality. They are marked by a strange… torsion, like the scribblings of an infant on a tapestry. Some derogatory remark about Big Bang Theory or the speed with which GRRM publishes books will normally get a thread closed quickly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borque Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Sometimes, threads from the Outside leak into reality. They are marked by a strange torsion, like the scribblings of an infant on a tapestry. Sometimes... the threads bounce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibandar Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Some derogatory remark about Big Bang Theory or the speed with which GRRM publishes books will normally get a thread closed quickly enough. Indeed, nothing gets a thread closed like a critical comment about GRRM's dedication to his profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatúrinbor Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Your on to something. And I believe your explanation makes most since. Someone was saying it couldn't be magic because thereafter kelhuss was wearing a chorae. But we know chora doesn't effect the cish. Therefore it was obviously Cish magic. Unless I'm mistaking in that cish are immune chorae. I could be. If I am please diregard Foënghus was killed by Cnaiür's Chorae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Crazy? No more crazy than whole demons being summoned, which we know can be done because weve even had a POV from them. Clearly, stuff can move between Out- and Inside. or, in the words of mr. pynchon: stick it in...pull it out...stick it in...ooh that is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Big Bang Theory? That's the show that thinks mental illness is funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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