Tyrion1991 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 If she was marching a 100k army in so cold that a sea had frozen over there wouldn't be any army left by the time she got to Westeros. This is Fantasy. Plus, GRRM already broke logic be having Stannis army survive and able to fight in a Northern Winter without ANY access to food for several months. It would be pretty dull if winter killed everyone. Talk about Dues Ex Machina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Some scientists do believe Europeans crossed the frozen North Atlantic during the last Ice Age. Much of the North Sea was actually above sea level in the last ice age. There are accounts of the English Channel freezing between Dover and Calais in 1693/4 On the map the distance from Essos to The Vale over the sea looks slightly shorter than the distance between Deepwood Motte and Winterfell (estimate 275 miles if a league equals 3 miles) Crackclaw point looks a little shorter still (250 miles) and Dorne about half the length (140 miles). The distances to travel are a fantasy but no more of a fantasy than building a wall of ice 700ft high 300 miles long. (if the wall is partly inspired by Hadrians Wall which was just 20ft high and 75 miles long, then a march across a frozen sea could be inspired by a Swedish Army marching across lets say 10 miles of ice) The story is that the original land bridge between Essos and Westeros was destroyed by magic if that was possible then the reverse is also possible. If the land bridge was swallowed by rising sea levels then it could re-appear in the Westerosi equivalent of an ice age. If Dany is mainly wanting to get to the north to fight the others it would be ironic if she had to enter Westeros at its southernmost point To cross these ~250 miles, an army would need about two weeks. On a decent street, not on slippery ice. For two weeks, each man would need 28 kg of food and 56 liters of water (seawater can't be drunk!). That's possible, if murderous. Like, 50% losses murderous. But horses need way more feed and water, and they can carry less in relation to their weight. No way any horses can be brought over that way. And that's assuming that a deep channel of saltwater, with a warm stream running up it, freezes over and that anybody would dare to rely on it for two weeks. Make that six months to gather the army at the shore as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell Resident Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Bran. He is one of the other powers that has been down played so far. What Bran is learning to do with warging and greenseeing Is like no other power Daenerys or any other in all of Westeros has faced. As far as Victarion is concerned, his main objective is to get the dragons and if he can, Daenerys. Since we last read A Dance with Dragons 2 of the dragons have broken loose. Daenerys is nowhere to be found. However, Victarion has a magical horn that when blown can summon the dragons to him. I suspect the sorcerer he has on board who has some knowledge of dragons and the horn will take what they have and sail off to Westeros to meet up with Euron for conquering Westeros. But, let's say we play your scenario out that you lead off with your Original Post. All forces in Westeros will eventually fall to Daenerys. Not by her army. But, by her Dragons and allying her forces with a few of the kingdoms in Westeros. This can happen provided none of the Westerosi kingdoms uses any magic. Magic. That is the keyword. Daenerys uses magic to control the Dragons. It is just something that is within her. She clearly does not understand how it works only that she has the ability to touch fire without being burned and having the ability to control and ride her dragons. Bran is in the process of using magic. He is learning all of the ablilities of the Children of the Forest and all of the abilities of GreenSeeing. Bran now has the ability to warg into any creature or human. Which lends itself to the possibility of warging into a Dragon. Bran now has the ability to attach himself to any weirwood tree that allows him to look into the past and the present to determine what anyone is doing, whether friend or foe. Bran will be working on the ability of greenseeing which can allow him to do things such as raise the waters of the sea to wipe out any stretch of land just like the greenseers did to the arm of dorne during the war with the Children of the Forest and the First Men. Based on your question this is fair game. If Daenerys comes to Westeros and conquers Kings Landing that's one thing. But when she decides to head to the North that will be her undoing. When Bran's abilities are fully realized it has the capacity to simpy trump Daenerys's dragons, forces, and whoever will fight for her. Hopefully it does not come to that. Because I am hoping that Bran will team up with Daenerys to fight the Others. But, if Daenerys initially comes to Westeros with that conquering mentality then she will be in for a rude awakening. Bran is the power that will cause Daenerys to bend the knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripper Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 That's awesome. Could you provide a link or the name of this conflict? I'd like to learn more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_across_the_Belts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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