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However, tourneys are entered by knights, and there aren't many knights in the north. I can imagine there weren't many tourneys in the north either.

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Northerners entered tourneys when they were able to-- Jory, Harwin and Alyn all rode in the Tourney of the Hand. So I think the second part is the main factor. Winterfell was just too far away.

And I don't recall any statement about Brandon being a great tourney fighter, though he certainly rode well which is a major requirement for tilting.

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But isn´t Braandon Stark rememberd as a great tourney fighter?

I realised I was at least partly mistaken about them not training with lances. However, its a long journey to go to a tourney from WF. What's more, after tye memory of the last tourney he attended, I'm sure Ned was reluctant to attend another such event. All of this is just speculation of course, there is no definitive answer.

As for Brandon Stark, I dont know whether he was a well know at tourneys but of he was perhaps his father's Southern Ambitions played a role?

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Not as a great tourney fighter, but he did enter the lists at Harrenhall. I don't believe if it's known whether or not Brandon was knighted. Anyone?

You don´t have to be a knight to attend tourneys. You need a horse, armor and a lance. Barristan is the proof of that. He was not a knight at the age of 10 ....

Or all those mystery "knights", noone asked them to unmask so their knightlyhood would be confiremd.

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Some Westerosi tournaments are open only to anointed knights, whose privileges are jealously guarded; this forms an important plot element in The Hedge Knight. Indeed, tournament culture is closely connected to chivalric tradition and its spiritual basis, the Andal Faith in the Seven Gods. These traditions dominate southern and central Westeros, and are uncommon in the North, where many follow the old gods. However, the rules for entering tournaments vary with time and place, and there have been many events where freeriders, squires, or followers of the old gods have entered the lists.

It isnt like Robb and Jon hand anything better to do up in the North. It just strange that GRRm didnt have them fight when he made it clear that its something they both loved.

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It isnt like Robb and Jon hand anything better to do up in the North. It just strange that GRRm didnt have them fight when he made it clear that its something they both loved.

Remember than Jon and Robb were very young. They were 14 years old when we met them in aGoT. You don't want to let boys take part in tourney's too early... They could become another Willas Tyrell, for example.

Also, I agree with BrandonWeirtree the Dragon. Ned might not have wanted to attend any tourneys. Surely, he attended several, since I can imagine there were tourneys at the wedding of Robert and Cersei, or after the Greyjoy Rebellion.

But also, Winterfell is remote. Sansa once mentions a singer who had visited Winterfell, who had stayed for half a year. No singer had come after this guy had left. This already shows how remote Winterfell is relatively, compared to the other castles of greater houses in Westeros. So most likely there weren't many tourneys held in the north. And Ned would most likely not travel south only to attend one.

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You don´t have to be a knight to attend tourneys. You need a horse, armor and a lance. Barristan is the proof of that. He was not a knight at the age of 10 ....

Or all those mystery "knights", noone asked them to unmask so their knightlyhood would be confiremd.

It depends on the tourney. Dunk had to be a knight to enter the one at Ashford as I recall. Here's a SSM on the subject:

As to your questions regarding the participation or non-participation of sellswords, squires, freeriders and the like, again, I don't see that as the difference as being chronological so much as geographic. The Reach is the heart of the chivalric tradition in the Seven Kingdoms, the place where knighthood is most universally esteemed, and therefore the place where the master of the games is most likely to devise and apply stringent rules. In Dorne and Storm's End and the riverlands and the Vale, things are perhaps a little less strict, and north of the Neck where the old gods still reign and knights are rare, they make up their own rules as they go along.

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Remember than Jon and Robb were very young. They were 14 years old when we met them in aGoT. You don't want to let boys take part in tourney's too early... They could become another Willas Tyrell, for example.

Also, I agree with BrandonWeirtree the Dragon. Ned might not have wanted to attend any tourneys. Surely, he attended several, since I can imagine there were tourneys at the wedding of Robert and Cersei, or after the Greyjoy Rebellion.

But also, Winterfell is remote. Sansa once mentions a singer who had visited Winterfell, who had stayed for half a year. No singer had come after this guy had left. This already shows how remote Winterfell is relatively, compared to the other castles of greater houses in Westeros. So most likely there weren't many tourneys held in the north. And Ned would most likely not travel south only to attend one.

You can attend toureys without your father escorting you, so thats no excuse. Like i said if they loved it they would have gone no matter how far the damned thing was... but GRRm had them up north for 14 years freezing their balls off.

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What tourney's are mentioned that they would be old enough to compete in? I think the last one mentioned before the WoT5K was right after the Greyjoy Rebellion, so that would pin them at about 10 or so

Joffrey's 12th name day tourney. I suppose technically they could have taken off from Winterfell on their own at the tender age of 15 and travelled weeks to King's Landing to compete :dunno:

Nice pic, btw ;)

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You can attend toureys without your father escorting you, so thats no excuse. Like i said if they loved it they would have gone no matter how far the damned thing was... but GRRm had them up north for 14 years freezing their balls off.

But you can't send two 14 year old boys without any escort to a tourney, especially not when one of those two boys is a highborn, and the heir to several important seats and titles.

We never hear Jon talk of think about tourneys. So how do you know is he wanted to attend one? Just because he played at swords with Robb?

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I dont know how relevant this is but Rodrik Cassel still has Robb training with a wooden sword in Game of Thrones, so it doesnt appear he was exactly let off the reins. And also, tourneys arent always huge events. The tourney of the Hand certainly was, and Harrenhal. The one following the GJ rebellion appears somewhat sizeable. But the likes of Jofferys nameday were likely much smaller events, calling on knights from the relatively local area

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Are there any theories as to who delivers the message from Lysa to Cat in GoT, the one saying the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn? It was discovered by Luwin in his observatory, in a wooden box. One would assume it was someone Lysa trusted greatly, but someone well known would surely have drawn attention. I can't think of any contenders myself.


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Are there any theories as to who delivers the message from Lysa to Cat in GoT, the one saying the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn? It was discovered by Luwin in his observatory, in a wooden box. One would assume it was someone Lysa trusted greatly, but someone well known would surely have drawn attention. I can't think of any contenders myself.

I don't think it was someone trusted greatly, the message was hidden in the box remember. This person probably just thought they were delivering a lens to the maester of Winterfell.

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Why do some women get referred to by their maiden names -- Cersei Lannister, Sansa Stark -- while others are referred to by their married names -- Lysa Arryn? Is it technically correct to call them by either? (For example, I tend to refer to Cat as Catelyn Tully)


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Why do some women get referred to by their maiden names -- Cersei Lannister, Sansa Stark -- while others are referred to by their married names -- Lysa Arryn? Is it technically correct to call them by either? (For example, I tend to refer to Cat as Catelyn Tully)

Both can be used, though it is often telling to see which style they chose for themselves. It is pretty much up to the Lady herself, and to an extent to how people see her.

The Queen of Thorns is hardly ever mentionned as a Redwyne iirc - because in people's mind she is completely a Tyrell, now (and several probably realize the influence she has on the whole House).

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