Lost Melnibonean Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Melisandre thinks so in ADwD Chapter 10 Jon III (no need to read it all: everything beyond the 3d line is just colouring):But here she says AA will come again as AAR to prevent the Wall from falling and keep the long night at bay. Again she fails to tell us that the original (mythical?) AA was involved in ending the Long Night that kept the world or at least Westeros in darkness for ... How long did Old Nan tell us it lasted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 But here she says AA will come again as AAR to prevent the Wall from falling and keep the long night at bay. Again she fails to tell us that the original (mythical?) AA was involved in ending the Long Night that kept the world or at least Westeros in darkness for ... How long did Old Nan tell us it lasted? You are right of course. AGot C 24 Bran IV: "The Others," Old Nan agreed. "Thousands and thousands of years ago, a winter fell that was cold and hard and endless beyond all memory of man. There came a night that lasted a generation, and kings shivered and died in their castles even as the swineherds in their hovels. Women smothered their children rather than see them starve, and cried, and felt their tears freeze on their cheeks." Her voice and her needles fell silent, and she glanced up at Bran with pale, filmy eyes and asked, "So, child. This is the sort of story you like?" Was that winter so much longer than that night, that lasted a generation? I had assumed they were the same, but now I think I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennedy the Keen Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 What religion did the dragon lords practice in ancient Valyria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crow's Third Eye Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 What religion did the dragon lords practice in ancient Valyria? Non currently practised in Westeros unless I am much mistaken. I seem to remember that Balerion, Vhagar and Meraxes were the names of Valyrian deities and that was why Aegon's dragons were named so. Of course I may be wrong, but I think I read it on the "World" reading excerpt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 You are right of course. AGot C 24 Bran IV: Was that winter so much longer than that night, that lasted a generation?I had assumed they were the same, but now I think I was wrong.Yes Old Nan actually tells us that a very long winter, possibly the event that threw off the seasons, was followed by the Long Night, which lasted a generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall Tyrion Lannister! Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 what books are the dunk and egg stories included in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 what books are the dunk and egg stories included in?Legends, Legends II & Warriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyti_Von_Totiy Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Can someone explain to me why Lyanna Mormont said in her letter that Mormonts will not bend their knee unless it is to a Stark, and a few chapters later her sister joins Stannis ?What is going on and who in hell is calling the shots there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Can someone explain to me why Lyanna Mormont said in her letter that Mormonts will not bend their knee unless it is to a Stark, and a few chapters later her sister joins Stannis ? What is going on and who in hell is calling the shots there? Timing wise, Alysane joins Stannis much later, after Deepwood Motte is retaken by Stannis. The Mormonts might have seen this as proof that Stannis was truly vested in helping the North. Also, in between the two events, the Mormont's on Bear Island might have heard from their mother, Maege, with more or different or specific instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosimaistheHottest Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Who are considered a highborn and lowborn? Are all nobles no matter how small/petty considered highborns? What about landed knights? Are noble/royal bastards considered highborn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Who are considered a highborn and lowborn? Are all nobles no matter how small/petty considered highborns? What about landed knights? Yes, although there are degrees of "highborness". For example, although there were both noble-born, Littlefinger was considered not highborn enough to marry Catelyn. Are noble/royal bastards considered highborn? Depends whether they are recognized and legitimized. While Daemon Blackfyre and Edric Storm are recognized as "official" royal bastards, e.g. Gendry or Bella aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Similar question, what is baseborn opposed to bastard-born?Two unmarried nobles as opposed to noble + commoner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Similar question, what is baseborn opposed to bastard-born? Two unmarried nobles as opposed to noble + commoner? Baseborn is between unwed commoners and Bastard Born involves a noble.IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Creighton Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 what books are the dunk and egg stories included in?Legends, Legends II, and Warriors. They are must reads in my opinion because they tie directly to the current series and are loaded with major clues. Thy are not long and you should have no problem reading them in a day or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Baseborn is between unwed commoners and Bastard Born involves a noble.IIRC I don't think that's quite right. I would think baseborn would refer to a son a of a noble and a commoner, but it actually seems to just be another word for bastard born. Law and custom gave the baseborn few rights. Gendry, the girl in the Vale, the boy at Storm’s End, none of them could threaten Robert’s trueborn children... of course the boy at Storm's End had a noble mother. Edit: another quote indicating that Edrick is "baseborn" despite his noble parents on both sides. Edmure looked at her curiously. “Stannis has sworn that the garrison might go free, unharmed, provided they yield the castle within the fortnight and deliver the boy into his hands, but Ser Cortnay will not consent.” He risks all for a baseborn boy whose blood is not even his own, Catelyn thought. “Did you send him an answer?” Edmure shook his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I don't think that's quite right. I would think baseborn would refer to a son a of a noble and a commoner, but it actually seems to just be another word for bastard born. of course the boy at Storm's End had a noble mother. Edit: another quote indicating that Edrick is "baseborn" despite his noble parents on both sides. You're right, I was misremembering something from Dunk: Dunk had heard such talk before. Aegon the Unworthy had bedded half the maidens in the realm and fathered bastards on the lot of them, supposedly. Worse, the old king hadlegitimized them all upon his deathbed; the baseborn ones born of tavern wenches, whores, and shepherd girls, and the Great Bastards whose mothers had been highborn. "We'd all be bastard sons of old King Aegon if half these tales were true." And: "Bastard born, not baseborn." Bloodraven had been born on the wrong side of the blanket, but he was noble on both sides. Dunk was about to tell Egg about the men he'd overhead when he noticed his face. "What happened to your lip?"I guess if neither one are noble you're just a bastard, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 snip Ah so that's the distinction, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Who are Aerys burn victims again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Who are Aerys burn victims again? Rickard Stark Qarlton Chelsted (I'm sure there are more though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Gwynhyfvar Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Rickard StarkQarlton Chelsted(I'm sure there are more though)I would agree with more. Remember Jaime's recollection that "every time" Aerys burned someone he would visit Rhaella? Imo that implies more, unnamed victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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