Steelcan Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Ned lies about Jon because he's family. He also participates in a lie that hurts his reputation. I can't see him lying about killing Arthur, something that helps his reputation. He could just as easily say Arthur was already dead, or had gone into exile, or give the glory to some dead northerner. I don't think he would take any credit for Arthur's death unless it was accurate. Does it really hurt his reputation? I mean sure he has a bastard, but he's hardly any less loved by the North over it, half the lord of Westeros have bastards running around. He could be covering for him for some reason, but since there's only one person left who can shed some light on what went down there we hve to wait to see if we get Howland's account. He will probably tell us the survivor was an oddly dressed foreigner with a weird magical wand. (just a guess though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMR Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I bet Martin did not even realise this when he wrote "they". One of those things that will never get resolved, and servants is a likely explanation that is not problematic in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Does it really hurt his reputation? I mean sure he has a bastard, but he's hardly any less loved by the North over it, half the lord of Westeros have bastards running around. He could be covering for him for some reason, but since there's only one person left who can shed some light on what went down there we hve to wait to see if we get Howland's account. He will probably tell us the survivor was an oddly dressed foreigner with a weird magical wand. (just a guess though) He has an otherwise spotless reputation that is tarnished, in his view, by having fathered a bastard. It also has a profound and negative effect on his marriage to a woman whom he otherwise loves very much. Lying about Jon's parentage to save his life is different than taking credit for killing a man whom he didn't actually kill. He has no reason to lie about killing Arthur, and doing so brings him notoriety that, being Ned, he would not willingly accept if it weren't based in fact. If Ned says he killed Arthur, he killed Arthur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I bet Martin did not even realise this when he wrote "they". One of those things that will never get resolved, and servants is a likely explanation that is not problematic in any way. On the contrary, I think he knew exactly what he was doing when he wrote it. He's very careful with how he handles the numbers there otherwise: seven face three, two live. Ned is one of those two, and yet multiple people found him with Lyanna. One can be Howland, and I think we're meant to sort out the other. It's not a mistake, nor is it an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelcan Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 He has an otherwise spotless reputation that is tarnished, in his view, by having fathered a bastard. It also has a profound and negative effect on his marriage to a woman whom he otherwise loves very much. Lying about Jon's parentage to save his life is different than taking credit for killing a man whom he didn't actually kill. He has no reason to lie about killing Arthur, and doing so brings him notoriety that, being Ned, he would not willingly accept if it weren't based in fact. If Ned says he killed Arthur, he killed Arthur. He has no reason to lie about it, that we we know of. But I do agree, Dayne is probably dead by Ned's or someone who was with him's hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melisandros Megas Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Maybe Tycho Nestoris, just looking to collect a debt. The IBoB probably owned the TOJ and the rent was long overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 No, I think Arthur's dead. Ned would not accept credit for killing someone like that if he hadn't, especially when it's a kill that boosts Ned's own reputation.HSSSSS! Your words are poison. HE IS ALIVE! :commie: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Obviously they mean the servants of the castle, and possibly squires of the Kingsgurad members there, though as I understand members of the Kingsguard usually don't have squires. There might have been some normal hired guards as well (who did not see a point resisting Ned and Howland due to the fact the Targs lost the war). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonsrule Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Jon. Howland Reed took Jon out to stop him crying, Ned had his conversation with Lyanna, and they returned to find Ned clutching her hand etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melisandros Megas Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Jon. Howland Reed took Jon out to stop him crying, Ned had his conversation with Lyanna, and they returned to find Ned clutching her hand etc.And then?....he used some swamp water as baby formula? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet199 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Ned finds Lyanna, sends Howland Reed to get help, Lyanna gets her promises from Ned, dies, Howland comes back with help and they find Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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