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Who was the ninth Ironborn survivor of the Retaking of Deepwood Motte?

"We ragged nine..." - Cromm

1. Asha Greyjoy
2. Cromm, who eventually dies of his wounds
3. Tristifer Botley
4. Qarl the Maid
5. Roggon Rustbeard
6. Grimtongue
7. Rook
8. Fingers
9. ???

3-8 (6 men) are eventually ransomed by Tycho Nestoris and escort him to Stannis/Asha.

Is it Hagen's beautiful naked red-haired daughter or is that just wishful thinking??

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Who was the ninth Ironborn survivor of the Retaking of Deepwood Motte?

"We ragged nine..." - Cromm

1. Asha Greyjoy

2. Cromm, who eventually dies of his wounds

3. Tristifer Botley

4. Qarl the Maid

5. Roggon Rustbeard

6. Grimtongue

7. Rook

8. Fingers

9. ???

3-8 (6 men) are eventually ransomed by Tycho Nestoris and escort him to Stannis/Asha.

Is it Hagen's beautiful naked red-haired daughter or is that just wishful thinking??

Nothing wrong with wishful thinking, mate. Especially with a possible appearance on HBO in the future ;)
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Who was the ninth Ironborn survivor of the Retaking of Deepwood Motte?

"We ragged nine..." - Cromm

1. Asha Greyjoy

2. Cromm, who eventually dies of his wounds

3. Tristifer Botley

4. Qarl the Maid

5. Roggon Rustbeard

6. Grimtongue

7. Rook

8. Fingers

9. ???

3-8 (6 men) are eventually ransomed by Tycho Nestoris and escort him to Stannis/Asha.

Is it Hagen's beautiful naked red-haired daughter or is that just wishful thinking??

Here is Asha named crew from the appendix: ROGGON RUSTBEARD, GRIMTONGUE, ROLFE THE DWARF, LORREN LONGAXE, ROOK, FINGERS, SIX-TOED HARL, DROOPEYE DALE, EARL HARLAW, CROMM, HAGEN THE HORN and his beautiful red-haired daughter, her cousin, QUENTON GREYJOY, her cousin, DAGON GREYJOY, called DAGON THE DRUNKARD.

Hagen is killed before they leave Deepwood Motte, Rolfe the Dwarf has his head chopped off to start the fight in the Wolfswood and both Lorren Longaxe and Quenton die during the fight.

Six-toed Harl goes off with Hagen's daughter and is never heard of again. We can assume if 2 Northmen were chasing her naked, they probably killed Harl first. We know Droopeyed Dale was with them in the Wolfswood but we have no mention of what happens to Dagon The Drunkard or Earl Harlaw.

So it could be Dale, Dagon, Earl or Haggen's daughter. I think you're right that it is Hagen's daughter because as a woman, I don't think she'd get ransomed to serve as a guide or protector. Add in that there would be no reason to leave just one Ironborn male captive and ransom the rest unless they were injured, but leaving the one female captive makes the most sense.

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About Daemon Blackfyre:


One of the reasons for the rebellion was Daenerys marriage to the dornish prince. But by the time Daemon died, he already had many sons. Since his third son (Daemon II) was considered his heir by the Blackfyre supporters, the children must have been legitimate.


His two eldest sons, the twins, were killed in the Red Grass Field. They were 12 years old.


So Daemon must have been married for more than 12 years... and he still wanted to marry Daenerys? WTF?


Of course, it's possible that Daemon's children were legitimazed bastards, since he was a king, at least to those that declared for him. But that story is just weird.


Does anyone know if Daemon was indeed married and if so, who was his wife and when the wedding happened?


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About Daemon Blackfyre:

One of the reasons for the rebellion was Daenerys marriage to the dornish prince. But by the time Daemon died, he already had many sons. Since his third son (Daemon II) was considered his heir by the Blackfyre supporters, the children must have been legitimate.

His two eldest sons, the twins, were killed in the Red Grass Field. They were 12 years old.

So Daemon must have been married for more than 12 years... and he still wanted to marry Daenerys? WTF?

Of course, it's possible that Daemon's children were legitimazed bastards, since he was a king, at least to those that declared for him. But that story is just weird.

Does anyone know if Daemon was indeed married and if so, who was his wife and when the wedding happened?

I'm pretty sure he was married. I forget where it is but I seem to recall it's mentioned somewhere that Bittersteel took Daemon's wife across the sea.
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Question: Did anyone understand the joke on southpark where GRRM kept talking about every character having giant penises? I generally love southpark, but I did not understand some of the jokes on their game of thrones episodes.

Try this board for questions like that. This is a board primarily for those questions regarding the books. :)

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I'm pretty sure he was married. I forget where it is but I seem to recall it's mentioned somewhere that Bittersteel took Daemon's wife across the sea.

Did a quick check on the Sworn Sword and the Mystery Knight, and there's no mention of Daemon's wife. Unless it's mentioned in the regular series (which I doubt) or in an SSM (possible), I wager he doesn't have one, or she isn't important.

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Did a quick check on the Sworn Sword and the Mystery Knight, and there's no mention of Daemon's wife. Unless it's mentioned in the regular series (which I doubt) or in an SSM (possible), I wager he doesn't have one, or she isn't important.

Bloodraven speaks about Daemon II's mother in the mystery knight. I think that's what you are all looking for :) with Daemons sons being viewed as his legitimate heirs, it indicates that they were married.

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Bloodraven speaks about Daemon II's mother in the mystery knight. I think that's what you are all looking for :) with Daemons sons being viewed as his legitimate heirs, it indicates that they were married.

Then why was he so pissed when Daeron decided Daenerys should marry the dornish prince? IIRC, his rebellion started soon after this, not 13 years later.

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Then why was he so pissed when Daeron decided Daenerys should marry the dornish prince? IIRC, his rebellion started soon after this, not 13 years later.

From an SSM:

Could you tell us something of what happened in the relationship between the first Daenerys, Daemon Blackfyre, and the prince of Dorne?

Despite Daemon and Daenerys being in love, her brother the king, Daeron the Good, was more concerned with matters of state than matters of love. There had been many years of fighting with Dorne, and failure to bring them into the Seven Kingdoms while not being able to keep them from harassing the Seven Kingdoms. So he realized that where violence failed, perhaps marriage could bring an end to hostilites and so he uses his sister to make an alliance with the prince of Dorne. It's a political marriage, pure and simple, a convenient marriage to guarantee a union between Dorne and the Seven Kingdoms. And also, he prefers to give his sister to the prince of Dorne over a bastard bother with whom he'd already had a few clashes and whom too many people were looking one as a legitimate claimant to the throne or rightful king. That was the straw that broke the camel's back, and helps lead to Daemon becoming the first Blackfyre Pretender.

Seemingly, he was already on bad terms with Daeron. He apparently loved Daenerys, despite being married, and she seemed to love him, but he was denied her, apparently partially because he was a bastard, which must have been salt in the wound.

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"Stannis has the Richard III allusion, not Tyrion. "



Excsuse me for differing but Richard III, a deformed noble who is said to have conspired in first illegitimizing his brothers hiers then killing them. Yes it somewhat fits Stannis except for the physical deformity and fact that Richard III was not seen as a great Warrior or military strategist. Also as written by Shakespeare, the "character" of Richard III is much closer to the wisecracking pun using Tyrian then the straight laced Stannis who is so ridgid he seeems to have a sword up his arse.




And the "Horse line" is quite literally pulled from the end of Shakeaspeare Richard III.


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