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I have always thought that Naerys died birthing her daughter Daenaerys, or from later complications of that birth, does it mean that this was not the case? Has it been mentioned when the Dragonknight died?

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Stuff I already once mentioned that is still not resolved:



The 'Old Ghis' entry claims that the city was defeated and destroyed by the Valyrians 'five thousand years' ago. Is this actually the case? Ran should know about that by now, and if I'm not mistaken then ASoS makes this very unlikely, too. Doesn't Kraznys mo Nakloz (or another Astapori slaver) mention that the Valyrians were still fucking their sheep five thousand years ago, when Ghis already ruled the world?



If the latter was more or less accurate, then it's very unlikely, at least in my opinion, that the Freehold fought all the Five Ghiscari Wars in the very same millennium where the Freehold itself was founded.



If the excerpt about the Rhoynish Wars is any indication, then the hostilities between the Freehold and the Old Empire should have gradually declined, just as they did with the Rhoynar...?



Do we know that Osha took the Kingsroad north? I don't remember that we got the direction in the book. It's very likely, due to the fact that Skagos is up in the North, but still...


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If I'm not very much mistaken, then Samwell is forced to join the NW on his sixteenth nameday, not on his fifteenth. He is a man grown when he arrives at the Wall.


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From Game:




Finally, after three girls in as many years, Lady Tarly gave her lord husband a second son. From that day, Lord Randyll ignored Sam, devoting all his time to the younger boy, a fierce, robust child more to his liking. Samwell had known several years of sweet peace with his music and his books.


Until the dawn of his fifteenth name day, when he had been awakened to find his horse saddled and ready. Three men-at-arms had escorted him into a wood near Horn Hill, where his father was skinning a deer. “You are almost a man grown now, and my heir,” Lord Randyll Tarly had told his eldest son, his long knife laying bare the carcass as he spoke. “You have given me no cause to disown you, but neither will I allow you to inherit the land and title that should be Dickon’s. Heartsbane must go to a man strong enough to wield her, and you are not worthy to touch her hilt. So I have decided that you shall this day announce that you wish to take the black. You will forsake all claim to your brother’s inheritance and start north before evenfall.

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Ah, okay, thanks. I guess to took Sam awhile to get to the Wall, and he could have eventually turned sixteen during AGoT.


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Sam arrives at the Wall roughly 6 months into 298AC.. I doubt it takes 6 months for a small group to travel from Horn Hill to Castle Black by horse. That would mean he was born in 283AC, and turned 15 in 298AC.



In the first Jon chapter in Clash, in early 299AC, Jon notes Sam is a man grown by law, indicating by then Sam is 16 years old, which would place Sam's birth in the beginning of the year, aligning with turning 15 in the first or second month of 298AC and then travelling to Castle Black for a few months.


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Godry Farring's entry states: "When the army becomes snow-bound and starts to starve, he orders those who are found to have turned cannibal to be burned at the stake. His cousin, Bryen, one of the king's squires, was so condemned, and Farring leads the rites for his funeral, praying to R'hllor."



In ADWD-62, however, the four condemned cannibals are men of House Peasebury who ate a man from House Fell. After Clayton Suggs kills their serjeant, Godry prays to R'hllor while the remaining three condemned are burned alive. These four are the first cannibals to have been discovered.



Bryen died from cold and hunger four days earlier. His body was burned as well (to honor R'hllor or prevent wights?), but he was not a cannibal.


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2. It claims (or at least indicates) that Stannis does not know that 'Mance' is Rattleshirt. I'd be surprised if this was the case, actually, especially since Mel is the one who reveals that Mance is alive and sends him on a mission which makes it very likely that he'll encounter/stumble into Stannis. Thus Stannis must know about this, or Mel would be risking Stannis' wrath/mistrust if he found out that Mance was still alive.

It's much more likely that Stannis was just pissed because Jon interfered with his affair. He wanted the man to burn to death, and Jon prevented it. End of story.

Agreed, more evidence:

“Our false king has a prickly manner,” Melisandre told Jon Snow, “but he will not betray you. We hold his son, remember. And he owes you his very life.”

“Me?” Snow sounded startled. “Who else, my lord? Only his life’s blood could pay for his crimes, your laws said, and Stannis Baratheon is not a man to go against the law … but as you said so sagely, the laws of men end at the Wall.

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Victarion's entry:

The exotic young women are not burned as a sacrifice for the Drowned God, but as a sacrifice for R'hllor. They are the sacrifice Vic is promising Moqorro all throughout his second ADwD chapter, if I'm not very much mistaken.

Weren't they a double sacrifice,to both gods, as boat burning(R'hllor) and then sinking(drowned god)?

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Weren't they a double sacrifice,to both gods, as boat burning(R'hllor) and then sinking(drowned god)?

I saw it as a triple sacrifice. Burning boat, Sinking, and exactly Seven girls.

But Victarion himself says double:

“With this gift of innocence and beauty, we honor both the gods,” he proclaimed, as the warships of the Iron Fleet rowed past the burning ketch. “Let these girls be reborn in light, undefiled by mortal lust, or let them descend to the Drowned God’s watery halls, to feast and dance and laugh until the seas dry up.”

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...and who says Victarion is a simpleton?!? Check out the poetic depth our great reaver possesses:



Near the end, before the smoking ketch was swallowed by the sea, the cries of the seven sweetlings changed to joyous song, it seemed to Victarion Greyjoy. A great wind came up

then, a wind that filled their sails and swept them north and east and north again, toward Meereen and its pyramids of many-colored bricks. On wings of song I fly to you, Daenerys, the

iron captain thought.


Sorry, irrelevant. But couldn't help it.

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...and who says Victarion is a simpleton?!? Check out the poetic depth our great reaver possesses:

Near the end, before the smoking ketch was swallowed by the sea, the cries of the seven sweetlings changed to joyous song, it seemed to Victarion Greyjoy. A great wind came up

then, a wind that filled their sails and swept them north and east and north again, toward Meereen and its pyramids of many-colored bricks. On wings of song I fly to you, Daenerys, the

iron captain thought.

Sorry, irrelevant. But couldn't help it.

bravo bravo!

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