Lord Spark of House Spark Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 "Just laughing at oversized, mis-shapen penises dear..." :D Is that a quote referencing your avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arataniello Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Is this the first time that the time of day has been given a number, rather that being the Hour of the Bat, or Wolf, or whatever? "What hour?" Mercy called down to the man who stood by the snake's uplifted tail, pushing her onwards with his pole. The waterman gazed up, searching for the voice. "Four by the Titans roar" is it just a Braavosi thing, and would 2 be by the Titans shoe? The number of times the Titan roars marks which hour of the day it is. Like the ringing of a bell on sailing ships - "Four bells and all's well". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARYa_Nym Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Ahhhhh, I shall sleep well tonight.... I shan't I'll be thinking about the possibillity of Bran calling to Arya through Nymeria in her dreams...calling her North calling her back to her pack. I meant to reply to this. It sounds like a great dream. :) We know she has already used an animal for purposes-seeing and spying with the cat but hopefully she does too with Nymeria and Bran guides her. On another note if she learns glamor next and leads a wolf pack she'll be like BR rumor wise and reality wise. He had rumors of having a wolf pack and we know he used glamor. Packs of gaunt gray wolves hunted down his foes, men said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I shan't I'll be thinking about the possibillity of Bran calling to Arya through Nymeria in her dreams...calling her North calling her back to her pack. :wub:Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Spark of House Spark Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Is the Swyft sigil supposed to be a chicken, or is a badly wrought swift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Spark of House Spark Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 The number of times the Titan roars marks which hour of the day it is. Like the ringing of a bell on sailing ships - "Four bells and all's well". So does it actually sound, like a giant cukoo clock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arataniello Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 So does it actually sound, like a giant cukoo clock? ISTR it roars when Arya passes beneath it on her first arrival in the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arataniello Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Is the Swyft sigil supposed to be a chicken, or is a badly wrought swift? It is supposed to be a rooster I believe - Tyrion or Cersei ponders at one point whether it should in fact have been a chicken, given Harys' timid nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Spark of House Spark Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Izembaro loved to give the Sealord’s speech from The Merchant’s Melancholy Daughter Merchant of Venice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Waters Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 It seems highly possible the Titan sounds each hour with the number of blasts that the hour is (i.e. 4 blasts for 4 o'clock) much like Big Ben in London chimes on the hour with the number of hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Spark of House Spark Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 ISTR it roars when Arya passes beneath it on her first arrival in the city. My bad. I think I remember that now. What does ISTR stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARYa_Nym Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I compared her to The Merchant of Venice once. The Merchant of Venice, Portia, beleaguered by her suitors, says: “I had rather be married to death’s head with a bone in his mouth than either of these.” I also posted that in AFFC she was taught The Merchant's Lusty Lady speech by mummers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Waters Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 My bad. I think I remember that now. What does ISTR stand for? ISTR = I Seem To Remember... I think.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Spark of House Spark Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Beside the entrance, Big Brusco had painted over the title of the last show, and written The Bloody Hand in its place in huge red letters. He was painting a bloody hand beneath the words, for those who could not read. Mercy stopped to have a look. “That’s a nice hand,” she told him. The only Hand of the king she has known was her Father. "a nice hand" couldn't help thinking that this was a sweet line, but I am probably overthinking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Spark of House Spark Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 ISTR = I Seem To Remember... I think.. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Redeemed Hound Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 So who were the other men from Westeros? Did Cersie send them in Book 4 or did Kevan send them in book 5? Takes a long time to reach Bravos and I am sure they would not even know about any trial or anything other than what they knew before they left port. Just read the Epilogue again from ADWD (as someone said). Kevan sent Hary Swyft there to treat with the Iron Bank and try to find more gold in Pentosh. Apparently he brought a few men with him...Raff being one of them. Why do you all assume Cersie won her trial? Makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laguna80 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Well, hang on-- at the very least the repetition of Forel is a bit of joke about all those "is Syrio dead" questions he's gotten, and a play on Shakespeare, so there's something intentional going on. I mean, it's not random chance that yields 2 Forels connected to Arya. But the notion that it's a story about Westeros, and this is a chapter in which a play about KL by a Forel is being performed, is why it's worth asking. I'm not sure if there's a literal connection between the party who recommended Syrio and a possible silent patron behind Phario (I tend to want to say no, but I'm still a little curious). The Westerosi have some degree of investment in the IB's moves given that they've been known to oust political systems, so with that in mind (and that it's probably a safe bet that this will all have an impact back on Westeros), it seems rather logical to at least contemplate that there could be players who might want to influence some sort of an outcome by having connections to Braavos. I just have such a hard time getting into the conspiracy type theory stuff because it's such a minor plot point. I look at it the same way as Bronn. Sure, there's a small possibility that Bronn will come back, but he's not the savior of the story, he's not even a contributing factor anymore. The Forel link is just that, a tiny link that the author included probably to have us look back at the older books and think of Syrio again. I will admit that before discovering these forums, I took everything George wrote at face value and never looked for clues at all, so there is a small possibility that there is more to the Forel mention in this chapter, but in this case, I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Few of my thoughts: My thoughts on Sansa vs Shae debate: Other people have said and I agree that Mercy herself seems to be heavily based on Sansa or a mixture of Sansa and Jeyne, this is also related to the heavy parallel that Arya herself always has with Sansa (they keep running into and interacting with the same people at separate times, Sansa herself could be said to emulate Arya in her role as Alayne, etc). The character that Mercy plays in the play however still definitely seems to be Shae (I guess people can call her "miscellaneous girl #4" - but that's what Shae is...). People keep referencing the fact that Shae was a whore yet the character in the play is a maiden - apparently they're forgetting that in Tyrion's trial Shae's official story was an innocent maiden. Whether the play is an attempt to vilify or flatter the Lannisters in general it is certainly portraying Tyrion himself as the villain. The scene with Arya and Bobono jives with all of this. Arya is related to Sansa since where Sansa refused to kneel for Tyrion, Arya does kneel - where Sansa submitted to the groping by Tyrion, Arya rebukes and threatens. The description of the cock matches what Sansa saw her wedding night but the size is clearly(to me at least) supposed to reference Shae's trial line about "he forced me to call him 'my giant of Lannister'" - which got huge laughs, as it will during the play. ------------------------ As for what Arya's mission actually was for the night - I think it's still pretty up in the air so this is some wild speculation. Arya's mission may be directly related to Harys Swift, and it may have originally required her to deal with both guards, so at this point she's dealt with one of them. The "gods favored her" by making one of them one of her targets as well. So basically Arya is possibly still on track for her assigned mission. What I'm interested in is Arya's line about wanting to see a Dragon - people have speculated before that she may be sent to Dany as a mission, or encounter Dany coincidentally at some point. I'm starting to lean towards one of these now, especially with all the hints of green around Braavos in this chapter(Arya is Braavos - it is a city of stone - Arya is a stone cold killer, Braavos is crooked - Arya's stitching was always crooked, etc). If the Dance 2.0 is coming, Dany may be the stand-in for the greens. The reverse is also possible with a mission to Aegon, and him being the greens, etc. I wonder if any other characters have already been set up as blacks or greens... Or we may begin to see them form in Winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterbumps! Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I just have such a hard time getting into the conspiracy type theory stuff because it's such a minor plot point. I look at it the same way as Bronn. Sure, there's a small possibility that Bronn will come back, but he's not the savior of the story, he's not even a contributing factor anymore. The Forel link is just that, a tiny link that the author included probably to have us look back at the older books and think of Syrio again. I will admit that before discovering these forums, I took everything George wrote at face value and never looked for clues at all, so there is a small possibility that there is more to the Forel mention in this chapter, but in this case, I don't think so. You might be looking at this from an opposite direction I was. My starting point is that I think it's logical to contemplate whether someone in Westeros realizes the influence the IB will have on the IT, and as such, may be moving some things behind the scenes in Braavos to help influence an outcome on this. That is, I find it difficult to believe that the IB's desire to regain its money, which puts it at odds with the Lannisters, is not something someone in Westeros wants to capitalize on. Wondering about who recommended Syrio was a point of consideration in service to the starting point. I agree, it might not be any sort of clue in thinking about who might want to capitalize on the Braavosi intersection with Westeros, but the real issue is the fact that there is aligned interest between the IB and non-Lannister players, and I'd think that any players worth their salt would recognize that and want to have influence in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 So who were the other men from Westeros? Did Cersie send them in Book 4 or did Kevan send them in book 5? Takes a long time to reach Bravos and I am sure they would not even know about any trial or anything other than what they knew before they left port. Just read the Epilogue again from ADWD (as someone said). Kevan sent Hary Swyft there to treat with the Iron Bank and try to find more gold in Pentosh. Apparently he brought a few men with him...Raff being one of them. Why do you all assume Cersie won her trial? Makes no sense to me. Because Cersei has to win her trial. If she looses Tommen is not King, if Tommen is not King then Margery is not queen and the faith militant is still illegal. This means every party in KL with any power wants her to be innocent. Also it seems from the Dunk and Egg books that even a Targ prince was not allowed to name a champion for himself since he was a knight he had to fight for himself. That was why he demanded a trial by 7 since he was scared to fight Dunk alone. To me this indicates that Kettleblack is the faiths champion, and that possibly Lancel will be as well, either way those people have to fight Robert Strong, aka ungregor. Also given the timeline for the trials in Kevins epilogue and the fact that after his death they may have been moved forward, Aegon has not yet taken Storms End so Varys would definitely not be springing anything to get him the city just yet. So the better question would be how could Cersei loose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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