Small Questions v 10027

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

I thought she was angry at the Hound for killing her friend Mycah.

Angry, certainly. But was he on her list from the start? Or was he only added after he came across the Brotherhood?

[Roddy Darwin]

Arya only puts people in her list who she has personally witnessed doing bad things.

Ser Meryn hasn't done much. Not in front of her, anyways.

[HelenaExMachina]

The Hound was on her list for.killing Mycha. He was taken off her list shortly before they parted ways

ETA: Ser Meryn is there for killing Syrio

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Ser Meryn hasn't done much. Not in front of her, anyways.

Meryn was involved in killing the Stark household, that is why he's on her list. He was one of the few Lannister men she knew by name, and she only adds people whose name she knows. At one point, she considers adding the Frey's, but she doesn't know which Frey's were involved, so she decides to wait until she's learned the names.

Which is completely the opposite of what the Faceless Men do. They only kill people they don't know.

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Dubble post due to bad internet connection

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

The Hound was on her list for.killing Mycha. He was taken off her list shortly before they parted ways

ETA: Ser Meryn is there for killing Syrio

But when was the first time he appeared on her list?

[Roddy Darwin]

Meryn was involved in killing the Stark household, that is why he's on her list. He was one of the few Lannister men she knew by name, and she only adds people whose name she knows. At one point, she considers adding the Frey's, but she doesn't know which Frey's were involved, so she decides to wait until she's learned the names.

Ah, you also remind me of the Syrio incident. That would explain why she put him on the list.

Because, as JaimeIncestFest pointed out, Jaime's murdering of Jory and his men should count as "killing te Stark household." She surely knew his name.

ETA:

ETA: Ser Meryn is there for killing Syrio

You ninja ETA'd me! D:

ETA again: the Hound was already on her list at Harrenhal, RT.

From Arya VI, aCoK on, as soon as her very first prayer, in fact.

[Oberoth]

In the books after Varys disappears following tyrions escape, Qyburn started to get information from varys' informants. Did they only tell Qyburn things varys wanted him to hear?

[HelenaExMachina]

But when was the first time he appeared on her list?

The Hound was on her list from the start (i.e. when she was captured by the Mountati)

...She hated Amory Lorch for Yoren, and she hated Ser Meryn Trant for Syrio, the Hound for killing the butcher's boy Mycah, and Ser Illyn and Prince Joffrey and the Queen for the sake of her father and Fat Tom and Desmond, and even for Snasa's wolf...

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Ah, you also remind me of the Syrio incident. That would explain why she put him on the list.

Because, as JaimeIncestFest pointed out, Jaime's murdering of Jory and his men should count as "killing te Stark household." She surely knew his name.

ETA:

You ninja ETA'd me! D:

ETA again: the Hound was already on her list at Harrenhal, RT.

From Arya VI, aCoK on, as soon as her very first prayer.

Thanks. Than my theory doesn't work for Sandor, except that Gregors presence, IIRC, reminded Arya about him.

As to Jaime, I already stated, that happened before Neds arrest.

[HelenaExMachina]

Thanks. Than my theory doesn't work for Sandor, except that Gregors presence, IIRC, reminded Arya about him.

As to Jaime, I already stated, that happened before Neds arrest.

Remember also that when Arya sees the Hound captured by the Brotherhood, she thinks one of her prayers may have been answered :)

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Remember also that when Arya sees the Hound captured by the Brotherhood, she thinks one of her prayers may have been answered :)

Yep.

I think that Arya added Sandor to her list after being in the presence of Gregor had something to do with Gregor reminding her of Sandor. Obviously the reason Sandor made it to the list at all was Mycah.

Meryn was blamed for Syrio, but we never saw Syrio die (though I have no doubt he is dead). Arya does know for a certain that he is a guilty man, being part of the group of men killing her father's men. Which is most likely why she accepts that Syrio is dead.

[Lost Melnibonean]

Why wasn't Jaime on the list of people Arya wanted dead? I thought she would be pretty angry over the deaths of Jory and Ned's other men.

Good point.

[Lord Spark of House Spark]

Was the wine that Joffrey drank at his wedding ever specified? Arbor red, or just an unknown type? His wedding is coming up on the show so I'd like to know what's the best equivalent to have that night...

(or alternatively, is there any red wine any of you would recommend for this night that is very sweet? I'm not an experienced drinker so I'd like something that isn't so bitter... this may be pushing it for small questions. :laugh: )

If you haven't already bought something you want to try for a dessert wine. marsala is an very sweet italian wine which should be available in any decent off license, or wine store or bottle shop, depending on where you are from.

[TheCrannogDweller]

Just out of curiousity, has anyone heard anything about a Bastard from Estermont? I am asking because we hear from Cersei that Robert slept with one of his cousins while visiting there and as we know, the seed is strong. :D

[Lost Melnibonean]

The Hound was on her list for.killing Mycha. He was taken off her list shortly before they parted ways

ETA: Ser Meryn is there for killing Syrio

But since Syrio isn't dead...

Just kidding :)

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Just out of curiousity, has anyone heard anything about a Bastard from Estermont? I am asking because we hear from Cersei that Robert slept with one of his cousins while visiting there and as we know, the seed is strong. :D

Nothing is known about an Estermont bastard. I doubt there is one (it is something Cersei would most likely have mentioned while remembering Robert sleeping with the cousin), but the potential he/she would be Joffreys age, give or take 2 weeks (since the visit to Estermont lasted a fortnight, and Cersei is convinced that she conceived Joffrey there)

[aryagonnakill#2]

Just out of curiousity, has anyone heard anything about a Bastard from Estermont? I am asking because we hear from Cersei that Robert slept with one of his cousins while visiting there and as we know, the seed is strong. :D

I thought about that and once proposed Aurane Waters. His Valyrian looks do not completely discount him but his age does so I was wrong. We know Robert had 16 bastards and not nearly all of them are accounted for. We have the baby and Gendry from KL, Edric from Stannis' wedding, Mya from the vale, the whore from the battle of the bells, and twins at Casterly Rock that Cersei killed, and I think thats it. So 7 out of 16, not even half.

[Jon Weirgaryen]

reviving [the Hound]

Angry, certainly. But was he on her list from the start? Or was he only added after he came across the Brotherhood?

Right from the start at the beginning of the first list...

But when was the first time he appeared on her list?

underlining is by me:

Arya watched and listened and polished her hates the way Gendry had once polished his horned helm. Dunsen wore those bull's horns now, and she hated him for it. She hated Polliver for Needle, and she hated old Chiswyck who thought he was funny. And Raff the Sweetling, who'd driven his spear through Lommy's throat, she hated even more. She hated Ser Amory Lorch for Yoren, and she hated Ser Meryn Trant for Syrio, the Hound for killing the butcher's boy Mycah, and Ser Ilyn and Prince Joffrey and the queen for the sake of her father and Fat Tom and Desmond and the rest, and even for Lady, Sansa's wolf. The Tickler...

ACoK 26 Arya VI

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

I thought about that and once proposed Aurane Waters. His Valyrian looks do not completely discount him but his age does so I was wrong. We know Robert had 16 bastards and not nearly all of them are accounted for. We have the baby and Gendry from KL, Edric from Stannis' wedding, Mya from the vale, the whore from the battle of the bells, and twins at Casterly Rock that Cersei killed, and I think thats it. So 7 out of 16, not even half.

Aurane Waters would have been born in either 278 or 277 AC (he was 22 in 300AC). The visit to Estermont took place in early 285AC.

I'm hoping we'll get a list of Roberts bastards someday, like in the app. The World Book definitely won't be the source for it, seeing as how it was "written" by a maester. But there are still 9 more we don't know.

If that won't happen, I hope we'll at least learn who bastard number 8 is, since Varys knows about 8 bastards, yet we only know about 7. It's suspicious...