Anatúrinbor Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 And would not the Ark be extra-damned for birthing the damned Inchies? And if so, kind of crazy that the Ark houses the IF. Only if giving birth to a would be sinner a sin. But I don't think the IF is an actual portal into the Outside/Hell, it's a device that works the same way Hell/damnation does; it tortures a person based on how deep the scarring of their soul is, or however damnation actually works. The Inchies figured that out (how damnation works), and built a small scale replica of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentRoamer Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Evidence? That one specifically rapes Biaxii after killing all his men. The section you are reffering to is small and does not explicitly state that Serwe rapes Biaxi. I am not saying you are wrong, just the evidence does not clearly support this. "That night Biaxi Sompas learned there were rules for everything, including what could and could not happen to one's own body." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 The section you are reffering to is small and does not explicitly state that Serwe rapes Biaxi. I am not saying you are wrong, just the evidence does not clearly support this. "That night Biaxi Sompas learned there were rules for everything, including what could and could not happen to one's own body." Sounds like rape of all sorts to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Fool Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Sounds like something was penetrating him somewhere, but there's no rule saying it had to be the curved bow-like phallus of the thing called Serwe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Buck Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I don't know where it is, but I have a distinct memory a female skin-spy getting an erection because of upcoming bloodshed or rape or murder or whatever atrocity. Either way, I know this stuff has been discussed in-depth before. As far as the text goes, "female" skin-spies all have dicks. I mean if they had pussies, I think we'd of seen at least ONE reference to vaginal intercourse of some kind, neh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Fool Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I don't know where it is, but I have a distinct memory a female skin-spy getting an erection because of upcoming bloodshed or rape or murder or whatever atrocity. Either way, I know this stuff has been discussed in-depth before. As far as the text goes, "female" skin-spies all have dicks. I mean if they had pussies, I think we'd of seen at least ONE reference to vaginal intercourse of some kind, neh? But one skin-spy is not all skin-spies. We already know some are made different. There was that one that had infiltrated the Mandate and could apparently do sorcery, for example. Now personally, I do think all of them are indeed male, and that there is some as-yet undiscovered reason behind this probably (sigh) having something to do with feminism somehow. But it's just incorrect to say that every female skin-spy we've read about has a penis, or that because we've read about female skin-spies with penises, all female skin-spies have penises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 All skin spies have penises. The thing called Soma is a skin spy. Therefore the thing called Soma had a penis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatúrinbor Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 The section you are reffering to is small and does not explicitly state that Serwe rapes Biaxi. I am not saying you are wrong, just the evidence does not clearly support this. "That night Biaxi Sompas learned there were rules for everything, including what could and could not happen to one's own body."I thought it meant that he had his first period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diziet Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Weird. It's been some time since I read TTT, but I remember a reference to Esmi's 'cunt' in the Aurang scene... and I don't remember Kellhus noting that she has a dick, but I could be wrong. But, could it have something to do with procreation? I'm sure the Consult doesn't want to SSs to start breeding like the Sranc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Weird. It's been some time since I read TTT, but I remember a reference to Esmi's 'cunt' in the Aurang scene... and I don't remember Kellhus noting that she has a dick, but I could be wrong.That was the actual Esme, possessed by Aurang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diziet Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 You can possess people long distance? And even make them do magic (or was the compulsion thing another long distance cant?)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentRoamer Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Esmi is definetely the real Esmi possessed rather than a Skin Spy - there is some clear exposition in the book between Kellhus and Esmi and then Achamian and Esmi where she discusses and muses on her possesion. How the thoughts originate from her own Soul. I would imagine that as Aurang can percieve the Onta that he could Cant through Esmi but at a significantly reduced level. Similar to when occupying the Synthese Aurangs own internal monologue reflects on the limitations of his current shell and how he was so dramatically reduced. We can assume that possession from distance is limited - I suspect the Synthese needs to dominate (sexually or physically) to the point of submission before it can possess. Inchoroi are such bastards but I love their POV scenes. 76% through TTT now. Making good progress despite workload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Fool Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 I came across this and it reminded me of Dunyain defectives. Is there in modern science anything where we could classify facial expressions like "fear at a base-remove of 2?" That would be handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatúrinbor Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 You can possess people long distance? He did it with the help of the Mangaecca, according to Kellhus. Or the possession was all Mangaecca and Aurang used the compulsion cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentRoamer Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Finished TTT last night. Here are some general musings: Moe Snr and Kellhus scene was great - I really believe Moe did not see his own death coming. I don't think Moe could reconcile Kellhus madness with his own "truth". If Moe did see his death coming then he chose the spot where Inri Sejenus ascended to the Nail - coincidence or not I am not so sure. I always believed (on my initial read) that the Dunyain were almost infallible. My perceptions have changed somewhat and I think Kellhus makes a lot of emotive decisions which he veils in logic. Interesting that Kellhus haloes don't cast any real light or shadow. I know Bakker has stated Cnaiur arc is done - I am not so sure we are getting a red herring there though. Really liked the Inchi PoV scenes and remember there being a lot less in TJE and WLW. After re-reading the Xin section I think it unlikely he is Meppa - also think it unlikely Moe is Meppa. I think Meppa could be Cnaiur but I would prefer Cnaiur to be revealed as some tool of the consult now he has been broken. I thoroughly enjoyed reading the PoN series back to back. Thoughts welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Buck Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 The explicit description of hair (Moe was bald) and skin (Moe was pale) is part of why I think it's him. I mean a shitload (the majority) of the characters are Ketyai, all who have brown skin, and Bakker doesn't call attention to it because there's no need to. He only describes skin color when they stand out, like when a Zeumi appears. Why specifically describe Meppa's skin-color? If he was really the last Cishaurim, and there was no secret, then he'd just be another Ketyai majority. It's fishy is all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatúrinbor Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I think Meppa could be Cnaiur That's raising the crackpot bar a bit too high, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I figured it out. Meppa is Darkstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentRoamer Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 That's raising the crackpot bar a bit too high, I think. Haha you are probably right. Just the idea of Cnaiur as a Cish is so awesome - the power from his water! The crazy Scylvendi bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTinyKittens Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Xin as Meppa? What? Xin has one of the most explicit death scenes in the series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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