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Bakker XXVI: Atrocious predictions, piled


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Is it possible that Bakker could pull a troll move and reveal that the Outside is our world? And Bakker himself is the God or TDTCB? I mean, where else do the characters' souls and thoughts come from other than the author?

That reminds me of an interpretation of the first season of True Detective; characters realizing (or not realizing) that they are in fact only characters.

That's what Stephen King did with the Dark Tower series. Wound up writing himself into the books, and while it's an interesting concept to think about, making it an explicit part of the narrative seems cheap, crude, and really heavy-handed. I'd prefer it if Bakker didn't do that.

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Moe's body is never referred to as having salted, if I remember correctly, but merely as a corpse.

Moes body is not referred to as salted. It is described with terms like "burning" and having "sorcerous light".

IIRC the series as a whole shows the differences between the traditional sorcerer schools and the Cish when hit by Chorae. Cish are described in terms relating to fire - "flash" "burning" "sorcerous light" etc..

This is a very good point. Similar to the notion that Biaxi wasn't raped or skin spies not all having penises, Moe could happily be alive in a state of flashy soulfulness, similar to Obi-Wan or Yoda. The voice that Kellhus has heard over and over could simply be Moe talking through time backwards and forwards using his force body to enact the Thousandfold Thought.

Thinking on it, it's virtually impossible to refute.

Biaxi spent his nights with Serwe, Cnaiur and an unknown skin spy - rape was definitely part of the revelries.

The skin spies not all having penises was based on my assumption (which I now believe was wrong) that Istriya was replaced a long time before TWP. Now that assumption has been discarded I think it more likely they all DO have penises, although this is conjecture.

Moe could very well be in a state of flashy soulfulness - we know so little of the Cishaurim metaphysics this is entirely possible and after all this is a fantasy setting where souls have tangible property.

Anyway, at first I thought that perhaps Bakker is writing about something paralleling a simulated world, but the twist is that he's not writing about a simulation, he's writing the simulation itself, with words instead of code.

Interesting idea but I hope it does not go that route. I think the Inchies are somehow more involved in Eanna than first thought I just have no idea how!

Ultimately, I think Bakker wants to write a fantasy series. A subversive one, sure, but something that is at its heart a fantasy. While I suspect some big reveals in the end, I don't think it's going to be something as wild as what The Great Ruiner suggests. I'm guessing for stuff that has to do with Seswatha, Consult, Kellhus, Dunyain, Cishaurim.

I cant help but feel Meppa is going to have a very important role and I think it will relate to our understanding of Cishaurim metaphysics.

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Since skin spies can change their faces very quickly, I also assume that they are similarly flexible with regards to the topology of their primary sexual organs. They do all have penes, but they can quickly form vaginas. When the Skin Spy is aroused (be this by the presence of a helpless victim or their architects) it makes thematic and biological sense for them to display their excitement in the form of the male sexual organ.



Yes, I had to look penes up.


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Lately I've been thinking about the black semen. What does it mean?



Human semen is white or whitish when fresh, but gradually loses that whiteness because it's technically clear and mainly just reflects white. So the semen is white, implying purity, but fades, implying impermanence.



In contrast, black semen would seem to be black because it reflects little to no light. Instead of fading to clear, the black hue would probably remain. This implies a moral darkness, and also a permanent aspect.



Human semen would, normally, potentially be fertile that could create new life. But the black semen probably does not. It is therefore representative of infertility and, if not death, then non-existence. The death metaphor is further emphasized by the fact that black semen is ejaculated by skin-spies and sranc at the idea of death and violence. It reminds one of the void between the stars, from which the Inchoroi presumably came, in contrast to the life-giving, star-like whiteness of normal human semen. But just as every star eventually dies, the same is true of all life as we know it. Void, or nothingness, lasts apparently forever, just as it seems that skin-spies, Inchoroi, Nonmen and likely Sranc are generally immortal. It would seem that the inky blackness of their spunk reflects, or perhaps contains, some essence of that same sustaining power that paradoxically extends life but cannot create life; just as the No-God's presence prevents any new children from being born.



One wonders: is Nonmen semen white or black?


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WF, If nonmen semen is black I think the Occam's razor conclusion would be that the Inchies changed themselves to have black semen to fit in with that in the same way they grew mouths. And sranc would have black semen based on the nonman bios.

You are drawing the reverse conclusion, which seems like backwards causality. Convergent evolution between the nonmen and Inchies to produce black semen seems bizarre.

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But just as every star eventually dies, the same is true of all life as we know it. Void, or nothingness, lasts apparently forever, just as it seems that skin-spies, Inchoroi, Nonmen and likely Sranc are generally immortal. It would seem that the inky blackness of their spunk reflects, or perhaps contains, some essence of that same sustaining power that paradoxically extends life but cannot create life...

The Sranc breed.

But the last bit reminds me of the idea that the Womb Plague had something to do with the metaphysics relating to women/pregnancy, and not simply a mundane fuck up on the part of the Inchoroi.

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black semen, as ejaculated on to someone, is etymologically a literal denigration, a making black. it is accordingly RSB's critique of moneyshot scenes in the pornographic arts. we should commend him for taking an oblique stand on this weighty marginalia.

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The Sranc breed, I forgot about that. Hrm.



Still, they all seem to be clones.



And the Ark is a dead womb, just like the No-God makes only blue babies when it's about. And the Nonman infertility - Womb Plague, yes (thanks TGR). All of this seems connected. Possibly not to black semen though, I mean other than a... viscous connection.


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I have been falling behind in this slog of slogs. Can anyone tell me if RSB has released a new excerpt

lol I came to this thread for the first time in like a week or more wondering the same thing

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