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How would you rate episode 403?

How would you rate episode 403?  

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  1. 1. What's your rating from 1-10, with 10 being the highest/best

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400 votes in, 7.08 average, 7 median, 7.18 normalized average.

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Volverin,

George's POV remark is solely about the immediacy of understanding what's going on in Jaime's head whereas you can only try to decipher it by what you see on the screen. There's at least two paragraphs where he focuses on Cersei's desire and hunger for Jaime.

Even then I still don't understand the reactions. People should have realised long time ago the show is NOT the book. Instead of trying to enjoy it as an independent work people compare it to the books on every step of the way and find ways to criticize the show for not making everything like in the books.

I read all the books of course and Im just very happy I can watch high class actors act out the main events from those books, no need to analyse every second of every episode.

For example only after Ive read on here that LF is creepy and is a bad actor Ive started paying attention to him more and finding problems with his performance where I didnt find them at all before. Thats not right.

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Disappointed in this episode!



60 Seconds after Joffrey dies, Cersei and Tywin are wondering where Sansa is. Littlefinger now has an Irish accent to go with his creepy sleeziness. Jamie is a rapist! Sam and Gilly, could that have dragged that boring scene out any longer?! Stannis ... ho hum boring!



Tywin and Tommen's exchange over Joffrey's body. I normally like everything Charles Dance/Tywin does, but I found that scene also dragged on too long. I can see the importance of this conversation, but I lost interest. As soon as I saw Daenerys strutting on her horse again, I thought oh no, not more. A cheesey wink and would she realistically be standing that close to a charging horse?!



I never thought i'd say this, but i'm also over Oberyn and his naked romp sex scenes. Ok, we get it, he's bi .... move on.



Highlights for me ..... Tyrion and Pod, I know it's not the same as the book, but it was a touching scene and appropriate for their relationship in the tv show. Tywin and Oberyn discussing and revealing more history. Arya and the Hound, there was some aspects I didn't quite like, but once again, some funny exchanges. "Just point out the next map shop and i'll buy you one"


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Even then I still don't understand the reactions. People should have realised long time ago the show is NOT the book. Instead of trying to enjoy it as an independent work people compare it to the books on every step of the way and find ways to criticize the show for not making everything like in the books.

I read all the books of course and Im just very happy I can watch high class actors act out the main events from those books, no need to analyse every second of every episode.

For example only after Ive read on here that LF is creepy and is a bad actor Ive started paying attention to him more and finding problems with his performance where I didnt find them at all before. Thats not right.

When you obsess on a daily basis about ASOIAF, it's kinda hard to see the show in a different light and not compare it to the books. Personally, I've gotten better at separating the two, but they will never be fully separated. Unlike in the first two seasons, I have started with the 3rd season to appreciate the non-book stuff, but I still cheer and clap when a favorite scene from the books is well portrayed. So that's that.

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I agree that it might be difficult for some people. I read all the books but I can't say Im obssesing over them on daily basis. I love the story but Im not involved in theory making and that stuff. For example I just found out there is a strong theory that Aegon is fake. I was pretty sure he was a real deal when I read it. Or a theory that Jon is a son of Lyanna, lol. :D



And about the show - of course I too always get more excited when we see a scene which was in the book.



It might be a little my fault that I didnt take this under consideration. People who actually live this story might find it hard to seperate book and a show.


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Gave this one a 6 - I saw it as a transitional episode and I found it a bit uneven in places.



I'm not going to join in the controversy over the J/C scene - I have my own thoughts about the layers and I certainly wasn't outraged. Let's move on.



What I liked:


Sansa's escape (Gillen notwithstanding - he's getting worse and has now become pantomimesque in his awfulness)


Sam and Gilly - can't understand why these two bore some viewers, but each to his own


Tywin/Tommen - and that gorgeous little quiver of the lip from Lena when Tywin said Joff was not a good king. At that one moment I felt for Cersei as the mother of a dead son and nothing else.


Jon finding some agency at long last


The return of Edd and the lads


Arya/Hound - 'Is he going to go through all seven of the fuckers?' was my line of the night


Tywin/Oberyn


Pod/Tyrion - saw Daniel Portman in the godawful Thronecast after the show and was astounded to hear the actor with a very strong Scottish accent. There's certainly no hint of it in the show. He's a lovely character and Daniel is playing him so well.


Dragonstone - it had Dillane in it, which is all I need ;) Love the relationship building with Shireen and Davos.



Indifferent


Olenna/Margaery it seemed that this scene had to be inserted to eliminate at least one suspect (Marg). In retrospect it might have been a bit better to leave these two until the next episode to keep up the suspense


Oberyn/Ellaria and friends - the sex in this show never bothers me - I've lived far too long to be offended by gratuitous sex on TV



Disliked


Styr - another caricature in the making. You see, there were characters in the books who I thought were caricatures (Vargo Hoat for instance) who have been made better on the show IMHO (Locke). Styr was a bit of a nondescript but honourable wildling (they all started to blur into one for me, I'm afraid) - but here they have worsened him. I don't think I'm going to be able to stand him for much longer. Pull it back, lad, for God's sake.



Meereen - where do I begin? I am sorry, but I can't join in with those who believe that speaking in tongues improves Emilia. I loved her in Season 1. She has just been on a slippery slope ever since, although she did manage to find a bit of light and shade in her voice tonight. Even so, I am getting a tad tired of seeing Dany and her CGI'd hordes on some vast sanded ground giving the same speech and taking another city, and I am a Dany fan as a reader. On a good note, Meereen itself looked magnificent, and I guess the trick from Daario was OK, if underwhelming. The pissing contest was just as puerile as the piss/shit in the books - sorry they kept it in. I did think the trebuchets flinging broken slave collars was a nice touch though.



Hoping for a return to form next week.

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So there is no problem at all! GRRM said himself he doesnt know if book Jaimie raped Cersei or not because it was a POV. He left that free to interpret. So the show didnt damage anything, he just showed Jaimie forcing himself on Cersei. Why do you call that damage? This character never meant to be good, he pushed a kid out of the window, killed a king, has babies with his sister.

What we saw was character developement in the show, no matter how cruel and disgusting the scene was. Book is the book and show is the show.

That is nonsense to give a lower rating to an episode because you didnt like the way they are developing the character. You should rate the way they showed it. I think that scene was very real and authentic, no matter how much innapropriate and wrong so Im giving it a high rating.

It has nothing to do with book vs. show. It has to do with killing off any interest I might have had in what happens to Jaime, in the show. If they kill him off in the next episode, I'd be delighted. I'd enjoy that almost as much as the purple wedding.

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Maybe double D had to do something visually to help drive that wedge between Cersei and Jamie. I didn't like the rape, didn't think it was needed, and it felt as if they tried to again make Cersei likable, but I completely disagree with character assassination of a sister fucking, child killing, stab a helpless dude in the back coward like Jamie Lannister.

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They totally killed Jaime's arc by not having his sex scene with Cersei be consensual. Jaime is not a rapist and there was nothing in that scene that ever showed that Cersei consented like she clearly did in the books.



I did not like the change for the Hound either. In the books, he does not harm any of the villagers and leaves peacefully with his fairly earned wages. In this episode he just seems like a bully, which he really is not. Maybe they are going to set Arya up to save him somehow.



After the Cersei/Jaime scene, I just could not get into the Red Viper sex scene.



And is Sam really going to send Gilly to Mole Town's brothel? He would never even consider that.



Just really strange dark changes in this episode that I did not like, and I do not think they can save Jaime's arc now.


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Volverin,

George's POV remark is solely about the immediacy of understanding what's going on in Jaime's head whereas you can only try to decipher it by what you see on the screen. There's at least two paragraphs where he focuses on Cersei's desire and hunger for Jaime.

Agreed. To quote the book:

"Hurry," she was whispering now, "quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime. Her hands helped guide him. "Yes," Cersei said as he thrust, "my brother, sweet brother, yes like that, yes, I have you, you're home now, you're home." She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair.

Obviously the above was not how the show did it. Now, maybe the show is trying to go a different direction with Jaime and Cersei and maybe I will come to respect it. But if they try to continue Jaime on the same arc as in the books than they blew it because it simply will not work.

The show Jaime is now clearly a rapist.

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When you obsess on a daily basis about ASOIAF, it's kinda hard to see the show in a different light and not compare it to the books. Personally, I've gotten better at separating the two, but they will never be fully separated. Unlike in the first two seasons, I have started with the 3rd season to appreciate the non-book stuff, but I still cheer and clap when a favorite scene from the books is well portrayed. So that's that.

Also, just because you realize that the books and the shows are different, does not mean that you have to like the changes. Especially when Jaime's arc changed so dramatically. Some book readers will like this change others will not.

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Littlefinger and Sansa
Aidan Gillan is delicious creepy
Tywin
The Hound
Arya's new dad
John Noob
some scenes with Danaerys
Ian Glenn
The End ..Daenerys Conqueror’s theme

I am impressed
The show is on fire!

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First time poster, long time reader. I've read the books multiple times. Love this forum.. Thanks for being so entertaining.

To get this out of the way: re: Jaime and Cersi. I'm shocked (proud!) they kept the scene in. Consent wasn't something they were clear about, to be sure. I am reminded how manipulative Cersi is. After weeks of cock-blocking Jaime, after years of being apart and celibacy ( for Jaime, anyway), it's Cersi who initiates the passionate embrace. This after pleading for vengeance. Then she rebuffs him after his fires are lit. He acknowledges he is cursed to love her but wants to hate-grieve-fuck her anyway. Pretty much on top of his dead son, while in church. There is so much 'wrong' with this scene that it's interesting to see how we focus on the consent part but miss the bigger picture. In the book I always felt like part of this scenes obscenity comes from the combined passion/grief of the two of them. In my world BookCersi was all over that. In the church on her dead son.

Speaking of the books vs the show. When I love a story and characters, I read it over and over and feel as though I create the characters in my mind, their nuances and just how that shit would go down. My own mind is canon. So yes, Talisa bothered the fuuuuuuuck out of me.. When the show doesn't hold true to my mental image, there's dissonance and some people just can't deal. Even book canon can't be perfectly translated onto screen.

LF is reminding me of Tom Cruise and not in a good way. His voice. LF must have taken up smoking.

Marg and QOT: doughy lump.

Tywin grooms Tomm so well. Hell, I'd trust Tywin after that speech. Breaking Robert down. I hope Jack had to sit there with those stones on his eyes.

The Hound is a dog. The Worst Dog shit. How many Starks do they have to behead..

Sam is sweet but if no Mance-baby, why is Gilly still here? No. Other. Work. More Bran!!

Jon: he's got a little more fur on his balls. Finally. Red needs to die already.

Stannis: why is Balon still alive !?! No medic-alert bracelet for him. He needs to fall and not get up. Go to the Wall already.

Shirleen: that actress is growing fast. Davos line about how Stannis lacks an appreciation of the finer points of bad behavior. Perfect Stanno description.

Oh look! The swingers are swinging. At least show me a plump, round, man-bottom. Tywinn setting up a way to both appease Dorne and get rid of them, too. If they'd stop showing the soft-porn-Dorne, maybe we'd learn about those fantastic daughters.

Tyrion: I want the God of Tits and Wine. Not 'Where the Red Fern Grows'. But only whatshernames name was mentioned.. We didn't have to hear her speak. To bear witness to the same redunkulous arguments. God. Send Pod to Brie.

Rangers Returning. Fuck. Yes.

Ug. Disclaimer: Dany is The Great White Savior at my house. I am so over her plot line. Not since Khal Drogo. And I love me some dragons but god she's so boring and stupid. I do like the broken collars as symbols though. Oh yea.. How silly are we that we get excited about a penis sighting? Even a prosthetic pissing penis is, what, progress in a sea of female full frontals? I hear South Park's: Wiener, wiener-wiener theme. Progress indeed.

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What's worse is D&D don't think it's rapey.

What are you talking about? They say in so many words that he raped her if you watched their inside the episode interview.

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What are you talking about? They say in so many words that he raped her if you watched their inside the episode interview.

I saw it somewhere else I guess. No problem being wrong about that. Is that HBO? Still bad.

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I saw it somewhere else I guess. No problem being wrong about that. Is that HBO? Still bad.

Yes, HBO. I agree about it's being pretty bad. I'd like to play devil's advocate for second, but I hope I don't come off as insensitive. If there was no consent at all would Cersei really be ok being alone with him in the next episode? We left the scene in the middle of the act. Who knows how it ended.

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I gave it a five. This was an episode that hyped us up for future events but won't have any actual memorable scenes once we get to the end of the season.


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