[Book Spoilers] EP402 Discussion

[E-Ro]

The stannis scene ruined the whole episode for me.

I cant possibly think of a more effective way to demonize a character.

[Fat Mac]

That was gruesome. Like his death in the books, I'm not sure I can applaud it.

The looks on several characters faces before the death were important. Tywin's, Olenna's, Margaery's, Oberyn's..... I can see that the creators are trying to keep the Unsullied guessing as to who poisoned the King.

[Fool of a Book]

yes, QoT could have done something, but the way they are framing the scene they are making it appear that it can only be him even though the two times he filled the goblet everyone was watching him.

no, we all don't know it's not Tyrion...some people do, some don't. People watching the show who have never read the books may not have any clue there could be someone other than Tyrion - especially since (as things stand right now) there were no gems mising from Sansa's necklace.

Ohhh you missed the part where Lady O fussed with Sansa then. Watch the repeat.

She clearly plucks at the necklace. Which isn't obvious if you aren't looking, but they did make a point of Sansa touching the cup.

Edited April 14, 2014 by Fool of a Book

[jons nissa]

Joffrey should have been coughing before he drank the wine. That would have made it more ambiguous as to who murdered Joffrey. Here, they seem to try to make it more clear cut that it was Tyrion, even though there doesn't seem to have been any opportunity to poison the wine.

yes, the way the scene was filmed really makes it look like it was tyrion. does hbo want us to think it was him? why doesn't it look like a stone is missing from sansa's necklace?

while the wedding scene was awesome and the tension, fabulous, it removes all sympathy for joffrey's murder. i know grrm has said he really tried to make us feel that a child was murdered through cersei's grief. having cersei go into bitch mode so quickly as well as joff's over the top behavior seconds before the wine made that impossible.

[P. frontalis chiripepe]

It appears Bronn will take the place of Ilyn Payne as Jamie's secret sword practice person.

[MoIaF]

It was sad, definitely not a good death.

They were definitely showing us the Queen of T being next to the cup. Although they should have made Tyrion's innocence a little more ambiguous.

[LyrnaSnowBunnyAvenger]

Tha little threat from Oberyn to Cersei was nice

Oberyn needs much more facetime while still among the living. It's going to suck when he dies (as it did in the books), but he is just so awesome badassery - I love his threats to the Lannisters. His fight against the Mountain is going to be epic.

[Mya Stone]

My unspoiled sister picked up on Olenna right away.

And there was a gem missing from Sansa's necklace. On the right side (her left) by her hair.


That. Was. Glorious.


But I'll miss Jack. He was amazing.

[sharkhawk]

Margery put the cup on the table in front of the QOT

[Warhawk137]

Look, the point is, for the purposes of framing the story in the TV show, irrespective of what happens in the book, they sorta have to make it look like it was probably Tyrion, BUT that it's conceivable it could have been someone else.

I think they pulled it off with as many places as that cup went.

That said, if D&D really want to pull a shocking swerve on us, they'll make it so that the poison was... dun dun dun... in the PIE.

[Moseh Khayim]

Best line?

"Not you"

[Colonel Green]

while the wedding scene was awesome and the tension, fabulous, it removes all sympathy for joffrey's murder. i know grrm has said he really tried to make us feel that a child was murdered through cersei's grief. having cersei go into bitch mode so quickly as well as joff's over the top behavior seconds before the wine made that impossible.

GRRM was kidding himself there. If you want people to feel a bit sad at a child being killed, don't make him a one-dimensional psychopath without a single redeeming quality. Nobody was ever going to feel sad that Joffrey died.

[jons nissa]

The stannis scene ruined the whole episode for me.

I cant possibly think of a more effective way to demonize a character.

but he was so clearly not happy about it! i think they're really showing he's not in the same camp as mel and selyse.

[Fragile Bird]

Ohhh you missed the part where lady O fussed with Sansa then. Watch the repeat.

No one missed that scene - you could see that all the stones were still there.

Unless that was the reason they changed the stones to pale blue instead of deep purple, so we would miss the fact a stone was missing.

[P. frontalis chiripepe]

When Joffrey grabbed the cup away from Tyrion you could tell there was no wine in it. It was empty. Then he took a sip from it, as if wine was filled almost to the top.

[CrypticWeirwood]

You're right! We COULD see all the dwarfs' faces. Huh.

So? One could still be Penny. After all, everybody knows that only another dwarf can tell the difference between male and female dwarves. : - )

[NightStark]

My unspoiled sister picked up on Olenna right away.

And there was a gem missing from Sansa's necklace. On the right side (her left) by her hair.

Exactly what I thought.

[Tall Tyrion Lannister!]

Well that was beautiful. The QoT took a stone from the necklace, and Sansa touched the cup.

Gloriously done.

imma have to rewatch this, cause i didn't notice the QoT part at all.

I laughed when pod was checking out the girl who was doing all the contortionist stuff.

[-Ghost-]

So are they gonna have Oberyn and Loras hook up then? Cause they had them staring pretty hard. I hope not

[Newstar]

Loving the Spanish tweets. "Y SANSA AYUNDADO A TYRION. AY, MIS FEELS" ("And Sansa helping Tyrion. Oh, my feels"). :D

There wasn't that moment from the books where Tyrion deliberately poured out the rest of the wine in the cup, was there?

Did Tommen even have one line?

Edited April 14, 2014 by Newstar