Frances Bean Corbray Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) I'm sorry. But I have to ask. Why couldn't Olenna simply just carry the poison herself? They don't want it on any of them in case things go wrong and the mission has to be aborted/gets found out before they get their chance. Not only must they kill Joffrey, but they must kill him in such a way that someone else looks guilty and House Tyrell is above and beyond even the hint of suspicion. [so in case they miss their chance, they can get another.] They want it on them for as short a time as possible, and they want it in play for as short a time as possible, so that Marge doesn't have to avoid drinking from Joffrey's goblet for a conspicuous amount of time. Edited April 14, 2014 by Sour Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skagosi High Chef Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 One thing I didn't like was the girl with Ramsay. I think it detracts from his character. Ramsay does not respect women enough to have one as a partner in sadistic crime. She will probably turn out to be a great character and add to the show, which is cool and all, but they shouldn't have done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 One thing I didn't like was the girl with Ramsay. I think it detracts from his character. Ramsay does not respect women enough to have one as a partner in sadistic crime. She will probably turn out to be a great character and add to the show, which is cool and all, but they shouldn't have done that. They already did it, when they had his two porn assistants, of which she was one, I think, last year, help torture Theon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLittleDirewolf Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Yeah I think that's it. The QoT and Maggie were willing to let Sansa and Tyrion get slaughtered in order to secure the throne. Pretty ruthless. Funny how Littlefinger had other plans. Right? That's why I've never understood people who think Sansa and Marg were friends/will be friends in the future, write fanfics with Sansa marrying Willas, etc. The Tyrells totally threw her under the bus. Marg might have superficially liked Sansa and felt sorry for her, but still set her up (with LF's help) to take the blame for poisoning Joffrey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hath4 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) well to be fair the situation was never presented to him in the book. Ramsay gravitates to people that share his mindset. If a girl came to him and liked his pycho style he would probably be interested in her as an assistant. myranda has stayed alive by being pycho. Tamsay the girl who he kills with his bitches wasn't that way so she died. as have other girls previously. Edited April 14, 2014 by Hath4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tori Targaryen Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Yes it would, Balerion lived for decades after Aegon died. I think the dragon either pointed to Dany (future) or 3EC (past/ also future but heritage point).... I don't think it was meant to represent a literal dragon, but instead the Targaryen bloodline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitttenGuard Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) Anyone else see Tywinn shielding Tommen during Joffrey's death scene? It is just after Cersei shoves Margaery aside you see Tywinn moving towards Tommen and then with a shot back at Tyrion Tywinn has his arms around Tommen head. Edited April 14, 2014 by TheKitttenGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g.o.d Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Right? That's why I've never understood people who think Sansa and Marg were friends/will be friends in the future, write fanfics with Sansa marrying Willas, etc. The Tyrells totally threw her under the bus. Marg might have superficially liked Sansa and felt sorry for her, but still set her up (with LF's help) to take the blame for poisoning Joffrey. we don't know if Marg was involved, not even in books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conchobar Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 So....Is Balon dead or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Right? That's why I've never understood people who think Sansa and Marg were friends/will be friends in the future, write fanfics with Sansa marrying Willas, etc. The Tyrells totally threw her under the bus. Marg might have superficially liked Sansa and felt sorry for her, but still set her up (with LF's help) to take the blame for poisoning Joffrey. I always read the book passages that their goal was that it appear natural, not that it be a poisoning or that Sansa be blamed, or even Tyrion. Of course they would arrange it so that they were not directly involved in any of the chain of events...but I don't know that this means they ever intended for Tyrion and Sansa to be accused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightStark Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I think the dragon either pointed to Dany (future) or 3EC (past/ also future but heritage point).... I don't think it was meant to represent a literal dragon, but instead the Targaryen bloodlineI'm not saying it was Balerion, just that he did live to see KL established as a city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pretty Meris Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I liked the fact that Bronn reminded everyone that Tywin supposedly shits gold. Its nice subtle foreshadowing, and good reinforcement of that image for unsullied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksellsword Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Yes it would, Balerion lived for decades after Aegon died. Why would that be significant enough to be in a prophetic dream? I think its far more likely to be what most unsullied would assume it to be Dany flying over kings landing on a dragon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conchobar Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Balon was shown drowning by one of the dwarves at the wedding, does that mean we are to assume he has died? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightStark Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Why would that be significant enough to be in a prophetic dream? I think its far more likely to be what most unsullied would assume it to be Dany flying over kings landing on a dragon.Again, as I said; I'm not saying it was Balerion. I was correcting the suggestion that he never saw KL and the Red Keep finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g.o.d Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 well it could mean a Targaryen to retake the 7K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tori Targaryen Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The dragon image isn't meant to be a literal event. It either means a dragon arriving at King's Landing aka Dany (not ON a dragon, but the idea of her, a dragon, arriving at King's Landing.... Or about her reign in King's Landing? Have to point out it appeared to be 'summery'). Or, it could be in relation to The Three Eyed Crow and his heritage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywolf2375 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Ohhh you missed the part where Lady O fussed with Sansa then. Watch the repeat. She clearly plucks at the necklace. Which isn't obvious if you aren't looking, but they did make a point of Sansa touching the cup. No, I saw that she was fussing with it. My unspoiled sister picked up on Olenna right away. And there was a gem missing from Sansa's necklace. On the right side (her left) by her hair. That. Was. Glorious. But I'll miss Jack. He was amazing. And apparently I literally need a new TV because the resolution isn't showing this, but I've seen the screen capture. Still bummed though that it wasn't a purple amethyst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram McDrogon Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Honest question about books and show both: is there any possibility of a two-part poison, where two ingredients need to be combined to kill? In other stories that's often how would-be killers protect themselves. Or if there's an antidote that Margaery had already taken? (Written as someone who still isn't quite sure what happened in the books either.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksellsword Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 From reading the books I always suspected that It was Tywin that poisoned Joffrey , and from their interactionsin the show especially season 3 I am even more convinced.If you look at it logically who has the most to gain fromthe results of his death. Joffrey was out of control and Cersei challenged Tywin to try and control him.Jaime is commanderand personal body guard to Joffrey so he would naturally assume that Cersei would blame him and a rift would form betweenthem.The fact Tyrion was accused could of been something he planned for as well, he was well aware that cersei hates himalmost as much as he does.The result he splits Jaime and cersei up returning his Son and heir to Casterley rock to marryand continue the lannister line .He gets rid of a Tyrant king replaces him with his nicer grandson Tommen and has his dwarf son executed.Its a win win win situation for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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