[Book Spoilers] - About Ramsay and Roose conversation

[Ramsay Gimp]

Roose knows about Bran/Rickon in the books and the show, people. It's right there in his first conversation with Ramsay in ADWD

I'm glad they gave this storyline a good chunk of screentime. It really summoned up the appropriate dread that you get reading those chapters of ADWD. They showed the terror that Reek has to live with and also the really fucked up father-bastard dynamic which many of us Bolton fans love so much. I love how Roose walks into that deranged atmosphere and seems completely above it though he's really very much a part of it. Roose arrives and he isn't taken back; he's unimpressed. Just great stuff.

Agreed, all the actors did a great job in that scene. It makes sense that Locke and Ramsay would be buds, though I'm not sure it makes sense for Locke to have gotten off scot-free for maiming Jaime given that Roose is pissed about Ramsay maiming Theon

Also, I really hope they still include a Roose-Reek conversation, and Roose telling Ramsay "don't make me rue the day I raped your mother"

[aFeastForDragons]

I like the way Locke calls Reek Ramsey's "pet rat" when thats what Jaimie called him but Roose's.

I watched this scene again and its definitely my favourite of the episode. Roose is so cold and calculating.

I can't wait to see moat Cailin. Probably to early for Victarion but we will get to see some new Iron Born.

[Wontkins]

WTF with Ramsay's gf? Will the fake Arya will ever appear?

I think you answered your own question there. Myranda might be a good replacement for Jeyne Poole.

[Konradsmith]

In honour of the episode's official production photos, I've updated my thumbnail. Its still beardy Roose but a much clearer better pic.

[Jamie Lannister]

I think you answered your own question there. Myranda might be a good replacement for Jeyne Poole.

I think she'll just be a minor villain for Asha to fight and kill.

[Konradsmith]

^That's very likely. It's only fair.

[Jamie Lannister]

^That's very likely. It's only fair.

Yeah, it's a forgone conclusion that Ramsay will survive for a long time yet. Asha's little anti-Bolton arc is going to feel pretty lame if she doesn't manage to take out at least one Bolton servant of importance, and Ramsay's "girlfriend" seems like a perfect opponent for her IMO. She's just Ramsay with tits.

[Ramsay Gimp]

Yeah, it's a forgone conclusion that Ramsay will survive for a long time yet. Asha's little anti-Bolton arc is going to feel pretty lame if she doesn't manage to take out at least one Bolton servant of importance, and Ramsay's "girlfriend" seems like a perfect opponent for her IMO. She's just Ramsay with tits.

Agreed, but the show-runners will very much be following the spirit of GRRM's books if Asha fails in her mission. Take out some Bolton servants, sure, but she isn't taking out Ramsay or rescuing her brother.

Three ways I can see it going:

-Asha is captured by the Boltons: with Roose back in charge, she would at least be safe from mutilation as a valuable hostage. Theon's redemptive arc may very well involve saving his sister rather than Jeyne. This would also be a nice little twist - Asha would be "saved" by her little brother rather than saving him like she intended.

-Asha is captured by Stannis: I could see her leading a failed raid on the Dreadfort, realizing Theon isn't there, and narrowly escaping only to fall into Stannis's hands. The show could then pretty much just follow the books from there.

-Asha returns for the Kingsmoot: Asha fails to rescue Theon, hears her father is dead, and returns home. This is the least likely scenario IMO, since it involves just giving up on Theon and means she will have to return to the North again to be captured by Stannis

[I'll pay the iron price]

Loved the whole Bolton Scene.

Roose

Ramsay

Locke

3 Great characters and the actors playing them are doing a Sterling job!

The Opening hunt scene was brutal but well done. Ramsay out hunting with his girlfriend and his gimp (Reek) in tow

(I wonder if she'll abuse Reek too?)

[Konradsmith]

I looked up "Roose Bolton" on twitter btw and someone had tweeted this little gem: "I bet Roose Bolton eats unsalted potato chips."

On the subject of Myranda, I think it's fair to assume that she will be killed whilst doing the deed with Ramsay, which would explain him being shirtless and covered in blood. Charlotte Hope who plays Myranda is credited for an Alex Graves episode and a Alik Sakharov one on her CV so it is also fair to place Yara's attack in eps. six or seven. It'll spice up the mid-season and I'm looking forward to it!

[Ramsay Gimp]

One thing I've noticed - critics and a good chunk of show-watchers hate Ramsay, and not in the way that's intended. They hate any scene with him in it, because they think it's just pointless sadism. The review at Atlantic really pissed me off because they basically dismissed the scene as stupid/unwatchable, despite the great acting and important plot and characters developments it featured. I'm glad Ran here at Westeros.org praised the scene

Makes me feel for Iwan and Alfie, since they play both characters quite well. Hopefully with Joffrey dead, people will be more open to another young, sadistic villain taking up screen time.

[Lord Damian]

jeyne poole did exist. She is the girl in season 2 that is "riding a guy" and Littlefinger is coaching her. The show may just allow this girl with Ramsay take her place but they need someone that comes from the South because there are comments made by Briene to Jaime and back and forth when they claim this girl they are sending north is Arya Stark.

[Ser Desmond Wine's Bane]

One thing I've noticed - critics and a good chunk of show-watchers hate Ramsay, and not in the way that's intended. They hate any scene with him in it, because they think it's just pointless sadism. The review at Atlantic really pissed me off because they basically dismissed the scene as stupid/unwatchable, despite the great acting and important plot and characters developments it featured. I'm glad Ran here at Westeros.org praised the scene

Makes me feel for Iwan and Alfie, since they play both characters quite well. Hopefully with Joffrey dead, people will be more open to another young, sadistic villain taking up screen time.

Yeah I see it as a problem too. I have a suspicion the term 'torture porn' was used and many have latched on to it and it is now building its own momentum. There also seems to be some who see the Starks as 'good and honourable' therefore 'All Northmen must be good and honourable' and they just can't accept that this isn't the case and are reaching for rejections of the the Ramsay story as a result.

[JonCon's Red Beard]

Yea I liked the limp

I think Alfie did an awesome job portraying Reek in that scene, it was very haunting.

It was amazing, and creepy. Creepier than Joff's dead. He was all "master! master! I want to play too, master!". He's completely a broken man.

[Misnthropia]

He reminded me of Gollum when he is leading Frodo and Sam to Mordor. Eager to help but at the same time is fighting the urge to turn and bite the head off his masters.

I thought it was done really well. Especially the scene where he is shaving Ramsay. The look on Theons face, stopping. Looking at Roose and waiting for Ramsay to say something else, holding back tears. To say it is Torture Porn or to dismiss it because it is to disturbing is over simplifying the scene and the true meaning of it as well as the pay off that comes.

[The Abominable SnowOther]

One thing I've noticed - critics and a good chunk of show-watchers hate Ramsay, and not in the way that's intended. They hate any scene with him in it, because they think it's just pointless sadism. The review at Atlantic really pissed me off because they basically dismissed the scene as stupid/unwatchable, despite the great acting and important plot and characters developments it featured. I'm glad Ran here at Westeros.org praised the scene

Makes me feel for Iwan and Alfie, since they play both characters quite well. Hopefully with Joffrey dead, people will be more open to another young, sadistic villain taking up screen time.

I hadnt heard about any this. I hope the rage dies down or it cause some script changes.

In a bad way :devil:

Im thinking this season will have a lot of filler in the "North" strangely im pumped n think its gonna be awesome.

Locke? have no idea whats going on there but whatevr. Its gonna be good I feel it in my bones

[TaenaOfMyr]

jeyne poole did exist. She is the girl in season 2 that is "riding a guy" and Littlefinger is coaching her. The show may just allow this girl with Ramsay take her place but they need someone that comes from the South because there are comments made by Briene to Jaime and back and forth when they claim this girl they are sending north is Arya Stark.

They can easily skip that scene though. It may make more sense to do so in fact. In the book, Brienne looking around for Sansa (and having 8 chapters of it) when every single person reading knew that she was in the Vale and was never going to be found was extremely poor storytelling. I find it easily to be the worst part of AFFC, I would argue the worst part of the entire ASOIAF series. If in the show they have Brienne searching for both Sansa and Arya (and do it in season 4, when we know Arya is still around in Westeros), the storyline is a lot less pointless.

Personally, I think odds are Myranda is killed by Ramsay sometime this season when he grows bored of her, but I suppose I could see them using her for fake Arya if absolutely necessary. The hesitancy I would have is as a viewer you'd have no sympathy for her like you do for Jeyne Poole in the books.

[Ser Desmond Wine's Bane]

They can easily skip that scene though. It may make more sense to do so in fact. In the book, Brienne looking around for Sansa (and having 8 chapters of it) when every single person reading knew that she was in the Vale and was never going to be found was extremely poor storytelling. I find it easily to be the worst part of AFFC, I would argue the worst part of the entire ASOIAF series.

This sequence I found to be painful. I just lost any connection to or investment in Brienne's character as that progressed. It just really felt like padding.

[Onna Lewyys]

One thing I've noticed - critics and a good chunk of show-watchers hate Ramsay, and not in the way that's intended. They hate any scene with him in it, because they think it's just pointless sadism. The review at Atlantic really pissed me off because they basically dismissed the scene as stupid/unwatchable, despite the great acting and important plot and characters developments it featured. I'm glad Ran here at Westeros.org praised the scene

Makes me feel for Iwan and Alfie, since they play both characters quite well. Hopefully with Joffrey dead, people will be more open to another young, sadistic villain taking up screen time.

I actually blame a lot of this on what D&D did to Joffrey on the show. Inarguably, Joffrey is a total shit in the books, but on the show they took it way further and turned him into an evil sadist. Like, we already got Joffrey forcing Ros to beat that other whore with that spiked statue, and then murdering Ros with his crossbow; so now I think when people see Ramsay hunting the girl in this episode, it's kind of like "been there, done that." WHICH IS NOT THE REACTION THAT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE.

The hesitancy I would have is as a viewer you'd have no sympathy for her like you do for Jeyne Poole in the books.

Yes, that would certainly be the biggest problem. Jeyne needs to be someone sweet and innocent.

[Bratchild]

I always thought one reason he'd possibly keep Myranda around,is if she knows anything about healer, possibly even a woods witch.Nothing any where close to being a maester but it is something.