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Sansa wasn't there the same person she is now.

That, and they both had a bit to drink and also Stannis looked like he was winning and lets not forget the knife to Sansa's throat; she actually made the right choice knowing what she knew at that moment.

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He took a cut across the back in the tavern but it doesn't seem to be bothering him.

I thought they would bring it up and have him say 'One of those cĂșnts cut me in that tavern' or such.

Yeah I saw that too. I still think that's how it will play out but maybe we're in for a surprise.

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Yeah I saw that too. I still think that's how it will play out but maybe we're in for a surprise.

We could. I think we may instead get another fight scene closer to the Eyrie, so that we get the added element of Arya missing out on another family reunion.

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Sorry to swing so far off topic,



But what were those giant cookie looking things that were covering Joffreys eyes when he was laying in the Sept? They had eyes painted on them, they seemed like some kind of medieval burial right. The Egyptians did some serious stuff with their dead kings to prepare them for the afterlife, Joffrey is going to need all the help he can get, right?



What is the story with this? I've looked everywhere and come up with nothing!


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Sorry to swing so far off topic,

But what were those giant cookie looking things that were covering Joffreys eyes when he was laying in the Sept? They had eyes painted on them, they seemed like some kind of medieval burial right. The Egyptians did some serious stuff with their dead kings to prepare them for the afterlife, Joffrey is going to need all the help he can get, right?

What is the story with this? I've looked everywhere and come up with nothing!

In the pilot they had these on Jon Arryn's body in the Sept. I'd assume it's a burial practice for those who worship The Seven, but it's certainly not explicated in the books. In fact I believe Joff is wearing a helm with a closed visor in the books.

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I'm starting to lose faith in the show. It's one thing to simplify complex characters and "white-wash" them, it's another to completely destroy a redemption character-arc. Jamie Lannister, we hardly knew ye.


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Seems like the stones with open eyes painted on them is a religious thing for those that worship the seven.



The departures from the books don't bother me as much as they seem to bother others. I find myself liking the QoT and Onion Knight more than I ever did in the books, still don't care about Stannis or Coldhands, like Shireen in the show better than the book.



On the other hand, Jorah was my favorite character in the books (I can sympathize with being stuck in the "friend-zone") but I am not committed to his character as much in the show.



Plus, all the Stark kids are way older on the show because it would be crazy kiddy porn to do it otherwise on TV... don't remember how old Danny is in the book, but you see my point.



Some stuff doesn't meet my expectations, or departs from my original visions reading the books, but I fall in with those that are still enjoying the ride. I still get excited every Sunday for my fix and hate how short the seasons are.



As an aside: "whitewashing" is an expression that may be suffering from over-use on this board. Just saying.


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Whitewashing is a common complaint, but now we have blackwashing to balance it out.

I am sympathetic to Stannis-fans for the "blackwashing" he has gotten but ho boy did Jamie get raped (he says ironically).

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Slow episode, but not every episode can be GREAT.



This show sure does have a thing about rape.. first Drogo, now Jaime? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in GoT, Drogo does not rape Dany.. at first she IS afraid of him, but then she allows it to happen. And Jaime. Ugh, ok, this topic has been discussed enough, you get the point.



But I DO wonder what GRRM truly thinks of the show. The show runners go along with the general storyline, sure, but they also make a lot of significant changes. I know they have to change things for budget and timing, but other changes seem to happen for no reason (none that I can see anyways). One of GRRM's clauses should have been that DD should have involved him more in the script. I read on a website about his response and he seemed to kind of insinuate that he didn't know much about the controversial scene from this week's episode.



Anyways, question. Has Stannis mentioned the Wall at ALL this season? Him finding out about the letter was one of the best scenes in the finale last season, and now I don't think he's brought it up at all. He might have and I didn't catch it, but so far all I've seen him do is have a nice dinner, then talk to Davos about Bravos.


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But I DO wonder what GRRM truly thinks of the show. The show runners go along with the general storyline, sure, but they also make a lot of significant changes. I know they have to change things for budget and timing, but other changes seem to happen for no reason (none that I can see anyways). One of GRRM's clauses should have been that DD should have involved him more in the script. I read on a website about his response and he seemed to kind of insinuate that he didn't know much about the controversial scene from this week's episode.

GRRM spent many long years in Hollywood as a writer. I'm sure he was aware of what was likely to happen to his story in Hollywood hands. He's probably just grateful that it's not worse than it is -- and I imagine he really enjoys the fantastic amounts of money he's making, both from the show directly and from the increased sales of all his books (money that goes directly to him.)

Hollywood is not, in any way, the place to take your stories if you love them too much to let someone else mess with them. GRRM knew what he was getting into.

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GRRM spent many long years in Hollywood as a writer. I'm sure he was aware of what was likely to happen to his story in Hollywood hands. He's probably just grateful that it's not worse than it is -- and I imagine he really enjoys the fantastic amounts of money he's making, both from the show directly and from the increased sales of all his books (money that goes directly to him.)

Hollywood is not, in any way, the place to take your stories if you love them too much to let someone else mess with them. GRRM knew what he was getting into.

Ha! Very true, Rill. Just in interviews I get a sort of read between the lines feeling from him. Like maybe he wants to say more, but goes against it. But you're right, Hollywood isn't the place if you're too near and dear, and I'm sure he's enjoying his two homes directly across the street from each other :)

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Ha! Very true, Rill. Just in interviews I get a sort of read between the lines feeling from him. Like maybe he wants to say more, but goes against it. But you're right, Hollywood isn't the place if you're too near and dear, and I'm sure he's enjoying his two homes directly across the street from each other :)

Oh yeah, I'm sure they make changes he doesn't like. But it would be rude and foolish for him to criticize D&D directly. It's much more in his interest to put it down to "Their intentions were good but wow, did they ever mess that up," and just be really tactful in how he expresses that thought. It might even be true that it was just a shortsighted poorly thought-out flub.

He probably regards the show versions of his characters as completely distinct from the book versions. I will be interested to see, when WoW is released, if I can detect any signs of shifting in his characters based on show interpretations he might actually like -- as in, will he deliberately or inadvertently start modeling Tyrion more like Peter Dinklage, with Dinklage's mannerisms? Will Sansa seem more like Sophie Turner? How about Brienne and her actress?

But I've simply decided to put Show Jaime and Book Jaime into two separate boxes, which is what I expect GRRM is doing as well, only more so. Show Jaime does stuff like kinslaying and rape. It's too bad, because I really do like NCW and have watched him in a number of things like that "New Amsterdam" show he headlined several years back (he was good, the show was lousy, heh), and I can really "see" him as Jaime most of the time, but I think that's over now. It's not that I thought Jaime was a good guy, but he did have his own morality centered around his family, and this guy on the show just isn't him.

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Didn't he say Osha on TV led him to do more with her in the books? That's one example but the only one I know of.

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