Perin Stone Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 paperback page 851.... There was no tenderness in the kiss he returned to her, only hunger. ... "no," she said weakly ... "the septons...." "The Others can take the Septons." He kissed her again, kissed her silent, kissed her until she moaned. ... "Hurry, " she was whispering now, "quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now." .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seer of Green Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I get it, but Cersei was kissing back throughout. I think you're off to be honest.Well, Cersei did say this is wrong and Jamie actually says "I don't care" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Lannister Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I feel like I just walked in on a Tumblr post here tbh :bang: Tumblr's usual bullshit aside, I totally get why they're pissed about this. It was a pretty off misreading of its book counterpart (if they were going for any sort of faithfulness) and it certainly didn't translate the way the director wanted. It played out like straight up attempted rape, and probably more so to your average viewer. So disappointing. It followed the best scene in the episode too IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go joff go Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I thought it was a great scene unlike in the book where it was in give me a break land. There was a complexity to the scene that is not in the book. Frankly I approve of the shows willingness to trample on all these personals codes certain characters have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsLibby Posted April 21, 2014 Author Share Posted April 21, 2014 I'm really hoping that this is bad direction and a poor job done by NCW and LH and that they tried to show this as being a power play. MIght be intersting to see if anyone comments to the media about this scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebla Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 The moral of the story in this episode is that it really sucks to be a woman in medieval times. Tywin practically ran off with Cersei's only surviving son and her twin brother/lover forced himself on her. Was it rape? In today's world, yes. In Westeros? Ehhh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 It makes it all more ambiguous, and I think this all ties to the changes they've made to Cersei's character on the show. Because they turned her into a woobie who regrets having her children by Jaime, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViennaGirl Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 unfortunately, that scene is all that the media is going to write about re GOT this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebla Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Tumblr's usual bullshit aside, I totally get why they're pissed about this. It was a pretty off misreading of its book counterpart (if they were going for any sort of faithfulness) and it certainly didn't translate the way the director wanted. It played out like straight up attempted rape, and probably more so to your average viewer. So disappointing. It followed the best scene in the episode too IMO. Is it a misreading of the book?The AV Club makes a pretty good point. http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/game-thrones-experts-breaker-chains-203634 That scene in the book is Jaime's POV, not Cersei's. You could wonder if he's a reliable narrator there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
six Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Is it a misreading of the book?The AV Club makes a pretty good point. http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/game-thrones-experts-breaker-chains-203634 That scene in the book is Jaime's POV, not Cersei's. You could wonder if he's a reliable narrator there. If you read the whole thing he isn't that sure himself, he's just suggesting that maybe that's the case. He also says the show tends to use rape as plot device. It does seem to be all a ploy to make Cersei even more of a tragic character. Only I wish it wasn't at the expenses of Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lady Leela Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Yeah, this was... not cool. I mean, the show has always been awful in its gratuitous violence towards women, but this is just... I'm speechless. Somebody get Sansa away from Littlefinger, like, RIGHT NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 That was pretty awful. How did they mess that great scene up. But they did. Very disappointed. I didn't recognize most of the characters this episode. It's like they wanted to make everyone look bad except Tyrion (as usual, he came off saintly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantouflas Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I thought it was a great scene unlike in the book where it was in give me a break land.Exactly! It was porn writing at best - I'm sorry book purists but it was cringing. An old man's (or 15-year old's) idea of what 'slutty women' would do. Bleh. At least the show was a bit more believable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Lannister Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Is it a misreading of the book?The AV Club makes a pretty good point. http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/game-thrones-experts-breaker-chains-203634 That scene in the book is Jaime's POV, not Cersei's. You could wonder if he's a reliable narrator there. I'm sure it would've played out a little differently from Cersei's POV, but that's the thing: what took the book's tryst out of "r word" territory was something that wasn't bound to either of their POVs. It was down to Cersei's very verbal, very explicit encouragement. Jaime's forceful with her at first, but she relents, really gets into it, and they have passionate sex. Here, she tells him to get off. And again. And again. And again. And again. And then "I don't care" as he sticks it in. It made for a pretty big difference of mood and one I don't think was necessary to change. It makes Jaime look bloody awful and Cersei look subdued, which is... sadly in character for both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 That was pretty awful. How did they mess that great scene up. But they did. Very disappointed.I didn't recognize most of the characters this episode. It's like they wanted to make everyone look bad except Tyrion (as usual, he came off saintly).You are forgetting Dany, as usual playing up the slaughter that is about to take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Pipes Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I'm sure it would've played out a little differently from Cersei's POV, but that's the thing: what took the book's tryst out of "r word" territory was something that wasn't bound to either of their POVs. It was down to Cersei's very verbal, very explicit encouragement. Jaime's forceful with her at first, but she relents, really gets into it, and they have passionate sex. Here, she tells him to get off. And again. And again. And again. And again. And then "I don't care" as he sticks it in. It made for a pretty big difference of mood and one I don't think was necessary to change. It makes Jaime look bloody awful and Cersei look subdued, which is... sadly in character for both of them. She does start kissing Jaime back in earnest but once it gets to the floor it becomes nonconsensual again. It's these kind of decisions that make me nervous once the show passes the books and more of his story is what D and D make of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ServantOnIce Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Director Alex Graves on the scene, via Hitfix: So it was rape! You try that with a woman in the U.S. and unless you are an athlete or Charlie Sheen you are going to the slammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolivar Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 It's going to be pretty hard for the director/showrunners to rationalize away the non-consensual imagery of her begging him to stop up until the last second of the shot. I am going to continue watching the show for my friends and our Sunday evening ritual. But the quality of the directing, acting, pretty much everything has been in free fall since the second season began. You can compare the acting of Joffrey/Littlefinger/Tyrion from the first season and directly see how forced it became later on. The show is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebla Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 So it was rape! You try that with a woman in the U.S. and unless you are an athlete or Charlie Sheen you are going to the slammer. Right. And I can't wait for the smallfolk to vote for the next king. The liberal media LOVES Tommen but Rush and Fox News are really touting Stannis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Right. And I can't wait for the smallfolk to vote for the next king. The liberal media LOVES Tommen but Rush and Fox News are really touting Stannis! Truest statement ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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