Denam_Pavel Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 You've proved my point. It's all a misdirect for the audience so that we'll kind of forget what happened in the S3 finale. He's going to the Wall because we've seen him arrive in the trailers, they just don't want the audience to think he is. And now they've found a way to even get him on a ship and sailing away from Dragonstone without it being apparent that the Wall is his ultimate destination (after his stop in Braavos).He'll get there, I agree. Davos and Mel just aren't done convincing him that the Wall is worth his time yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Also I wouldn't take the "GOLDEN COMPANY" line too badly. I think he was shocked at Davos' progress, because Davos should know that he has no gold to hire even a cheap sellsword company, and Davos suggest to hire the most expensive one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjaario Starkharis Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I actually thought, that the scene was pretty good until Stannis said: "which means you're running out of time" :shocked: Save the Stannis threats for Jon, come on. What is this the third time now, that Stannis has threatened to kill Davos!? BTW Good job Davos for getting Frey's vassals on Stannis' side :thumbsup: . I took that line more like "you're as fucked as I am if we lose this". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tommen Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 He'll get there, I agree. Davos and Mel just aren't done convincing him that the Wall is worth his time yet. I really don't think that's happening on the show. Davos isn't talking about it now, he's talking about hiring sellswords and going to the Iron bank for money. We're supposed to believe this is for some kind of big attack on the capital again but it's going to be shown out of the blue that it's really for the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I took that line more like "you're as fucked as I am if we lose this". Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of Whores Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I took that line more like "you're as fucked as I am if we lose this".I hope this is what the intention was, but I interpreted it as "I let you live once; fail me on this and I won't spare you again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Desmond Wine's Bane Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 As Stan the Man says in the OP, the Dragonstone scenes were rushed. On rewatch I had no problems with the lines, but the word tempo was so high, it was clear the actors weren't able to put the nuance of their meanings across quite right. I mean Shireen came across a little too much as Little-Miss-Bossy-Boots all of a sudden. Having her stronger is fantastic, but the scene was so rushed it just came across as Davos being beset upon rather than pushed and guided. As I said last week, I didn't necessarily hate the burning scene, but I found it utterly pointless. Last week's scene lacked any sense of urgency in their plans - then this week's lands and they have urgency but it is magnified by the word tempo and just seems so out of place its jarring. It is quite clear to me they could have had parts of the Stannis Davos scene moved to replace the burning and slowed the word tempo down, kept the dinner and kept Shireen/Mel (to reintroduce Shireen to the viewers). This week could then have been Stannis/Davos talking about Joff then run the Davos/Shireen scene as it was but with a slower word count. Plot maintained and better dramatic effect. Edit: loved the 'pantry' line. That is sardonic Stannis in a nutshell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 It almost seems like Stannis has forgotten, that he needs to go to the Wall. In this episode he talks about having a great opportunity since Joff died, but not even a mention of the Wall. I'm pretty sure, that many of the Unsullied have forgotten about the Mhysa scene at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon's Bane Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 In the S3 finale it was looking as if they already made the plan to go to the wall. S4E2 they burned the fellas for the right wind. S4E3 - still in Dragonstone, waiting around with no idea what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conchobar Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I actually thought, that the scene was pretty good until Stannis said: "which means you're running out of time" :shocked: Save the Stannis threats for Jon, come on. What is this the third time now, that Stannis has threatened to kill Davos!? BTW Good job Davos for getting Frey's vassals on Stannis' side :thumbsup: . He wasn't threatening Davos like you all seem to think, he meant that if he is running out of time, Davos(who is clearly loyal to him) is also subsequently running out of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 In the S3 finale it was looking as if they already made the plan to go to the wall. S4E2 they burned the fellas for the right wind. S4E3 - still in Dragonstone, waiting around with no idea what to do. I know that. I just think, that they should at least mention it so, that the casual viewers know what's up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankbuster Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Stannis and Stannis Jr. were awesome in this episode, Stannis was even showed as a greyish character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM4e Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I didn't dislike the scene at all, but I liked others more in this episode. I think Stannis will demand the Iron Bank to support him who refuses.Stannis conclusion in Season 7 or so should be that they go back to Dragonstone because they cannot fight with what is left from his army. "Stannis! Stannis! STANNIS!" in episode 9 then and "Ser Davos is a humble man" in episode 10.I think this scenario is not that unlikely, especially seeing that they're not portraying him overly positive ( ;p), so that his redemption arc has a greater effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Duelist Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Where did the "Wedding are more perilous than battles" line? Otherwise, Stannis was hilarious, his facial expression especially, and the "not enough men between them to raid a pantry." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi No Yokan Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Also, with that post, I believe "agency" is now the most overused term on this site (narrowly beating out "whitewashed"). I'm going to go ahead and make the assumption that 90% of the posters who use that term here have ever used that word in this context before visiting Westeros. Between the Stannis and Sansa threads, I wholeheartedly agree. I quite liked the back and forth between Stannis and Davos in this episode. Looking forward to his interaction with Tycho now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jons nissa Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Also, with that post, I believe "agency" is now the most overused term on this site Between the Stannis and Sansa threads, I wholeheartedly agree. amen to that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Did the ones in charge in KL stopped paying the interest to the IB already on the show? I don't recall. If not, why would the IB help Stannis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightStark Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Did the ones in charge in KL stopped paying the interest to the IB already on the show? I don't recall. If not, why would the IB help Stannis?Presumably they have but the IB will turn him down this time to allow them time to pay up.They're just having Stannis go to Braavos so they can introduce the IB to the show only people, which will explain why they meet Stannis later and give him support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Presumably they have but the IB will turn him down this time to allow them time to pay up.They're just having Stannis go to Braavos so they can introduce the IB to the show only people, which will explain why they meet Stannis later and give him supportStannis has no men. Stannis has no ships. He will succed in Braavos or wont save the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Stannis has no men. Stannis has no ships. He will succed in Braavos or wont save the wall. Good point here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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