Ingelheim Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Ah yes, forgot about that. They have been messy about troops numbers. That could explain this logistically absurd march of Mance. Sadly it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Oh yeah forgot to mention the connection between Stannis' and Tywin's scenes. Stannis states that if he doesn't act his claim will be forgotten and later in the episode Tywin states that the threats to the realm are: the Ironbron, the Wildlings and Daenerys with her dragons. Tywin doesn't even mention Stannis as a threat, but I hope he'll give the line: This is Stannis Baratheon. The man will fight to the bitter end and then some, at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted April 21, 2014 Author Share Posted April 21, 2014 Oh yeah forgot to mention the connection between Stannis' and Tywin's scenes. Stannis states that if he doesn't act his claim will be forgotten and later in the episode Tywin states that the threats to the realm are: the Ironbron, the Wildlings and Daenerys with her dragons. Tywin doesn't even mention Stannis as a threat, but I hope he'll give the line: This is Stannis Baratheon. The man will fight to the bitter end and then some, at some point. Was going to post that. I thought of Tywin disregarding Stannis as that of he has very low numbers and no manpower to even touch KL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelastactionhero Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Way to hijack the title from my last thread. lol. But yeah, I actually think these two scenes were way more palatable to watch than last episode. He said some dick shit to Davos, but at least there was some mild humor throughout the conversation. I also liked Davos' quip about Shireen being Stannis' daughter. "Bloody relentless the both of ya!" He's not Book!Stannis. Again, that ship has sailed. I'm just enjoying what I get at this point and hoping he looks badass at the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Creighton Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 and while i'm usually on the side of the show isn't really that off base, i felt like today's episode was really off in how he was interacting with davos but you think it wasn't so bad. go figure. :dunno:That's interesting because I feel almost the same way. I don't look at book Stannis and Show Stannis as the same person, but show Stannis has been highly inconsistent. This week was clueless Stannis everyone else figure it out for me, if I only had more magic leeches. He feels more like a plot device on the show than a character, at least to me, though he isn't on the show much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Way to hijack the title from my last thread. lol. But yeah, I actually think these two scenes were way more palatable to watch than last episode. He said some dick shit to Davos, but at least there was some mild humor throughout the conversation. I also liked Davos' quip about Shireen being Stannis' daughter. "Bloody relentless the both of ya!" He's not Book!Stannis. Again, that ship has sailed. I'm just enjoying what I get at this point and hoping he looks badass at the Wall.It has become our stannis appreciation thread. Like a Mannis tribunal judgeing D&D after each episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Yeah in the books mances horde is 100k PEOPLE strong. But that number includes kids, elderly, women, etc. A good amount of personnel that wont be fighting. The amount of warriors/raiders in the book host is somewhere around 30k. Stannis has 1,500 when he smashes mance. But the show has changed the numbers around a bit, which is not a big deal. As for Stans portrayal in this episode. It was not bad at least, but it was boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tommen Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Did the ones in charge in KL stopped paying the interest to the IB already on the show? I don't recall. If not, why would the IB help Stannis? Both Tyrion and more recently Tywin (through Olenna) have mentioned the Crown debts to the Iron Bank. Tywin doesn't seem to be in any hurry to pay them off based on his conversation in E2 so they may be accelerating the plotline of the Ironbank looking to back another horse. I don't think Stannis will get what he wants from the IB this season but there may be more of a condition put in place for him (like rally more people to your side and we'll consider it). I think the ending of Stannis' meeting with the Iron Bank will be left ambiguous as to what his next step will be and the next time we see him will be as his army saves the day at the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNF Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Just browsing imgur and look what I found; http://imgur.com/gallery/fYKOhXb Just a heads up to anyone that has said D&D haven't messed up Stannis' character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted April 21, 2014 Author Share Posted April 21, 2014 Just browsing imgur and look what I found; http://imgur.com/gallery/fYKOhXb Just a heads up to anyone that has said D&D haven't messed up Stannis' character.Stannis and Justice are synonyms. Why in the seven hells the Mad Queen has that title?Oh i know, D&D Logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankbuster Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 The Horror, The Horror Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNF Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Stannis and Justice are synonyms. Why in the seven hells the Mad Queen has that title?Oh i know, D&D Logic.It is just a [clearly] Unsullied fan's perspective but judging from the likes/dislikes ratio, others share the OP's opinion. Stannis- Holy over just? What in Earth were they thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tommen Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I think that Tumblr is where you go when you want to get completely logical and well thought out opinions, said no one ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Meera Reed Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 -snip- I don't think Stannis will get what he wants from the IB this season but there may be more of a condition put in place for him (like rally more people to your side and we'll consider it). I think the ending of Stannis' meeting with the Iron Bank will be left ambiguous as to what his next step will be and the next time we see him will be as his army saves the day at the Wall.Yeah, I too hope the IB rejects Stannis & he doesnt get sellswords (for now). Smashing the wildlings despite having huge numerical disadvantage is what made that battle so impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNF Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Yeah, I too hope the IB rejects Stannis & he doesnt get sellswords (for now). Smashing the wildlings despite having huge numerical disadvantage is what made that battle so impressive. I can see Stannis getting rejected and then an IB envoy being rejected by the Iron Throne either later in this season, or early season 5 setting up the IB to go to Stannis in the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty of House Goodmen Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Yeah, I too hope the IB rejects Stannis & he doesnt get sellswords (for now). Smashing the wildlings despite having huge numerical disadvantage is what made that battle so impressive.I would hate if he comes to the wall with a large number of men. Stannis being outnumbered in every battle since the Tyrells is part of what makes his struggles great to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drunkard Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 In the trailers I see no sign of anything other than Stannis' black/grey soldiers at the Wall, so I assume he doesn't get any. Maybe all he needs is ships, given Saan already abandoned him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Yeah, I too hope the IB rejects Stannis & he doesnt get sellswords (for now). Smashing the wildlings despite having huge numerical disadvantage is what made that battle so impressive. It would be even better, if the IB wanted him to attack King's Landing, and that's the reason why he rejects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Tetrarch42 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I've just watched this episode. I'm upset because I think the actor playing Stannis is very good, and he could be an amazing character if they just wrote him better.I'm not sure why they left out such powerful passages that I think would translate incredibly well to the screen. Like Stannis' story of the red hawk, or how he became an atheist, or his recollection of when he was so impressed by the king only to learn later that it was Tywin and not Aerys. Instead we get Oberyn orgies... like what?I don't believe that the audience is so naive that they value their daily allowance of HBO soft-core porn above more interesting and conflicted characters. The only good thing they have going for them is that TV!Stannis actually seems to have a relationship with his daughter and Shireen is actually a character and not just ornamentation (and a good character I think too).Anyways this has become somewhat of a rant, but I think it bears repeating you have a good actor and excellent material for adaptation - make something with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coatzin Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 It would be even better, if the IB wanted him to attack King's Landing, and that's the reason why he rejects. I think he will tell the IB the attack to King's Landing will happen... then the audience will be surprised when he will show up in the wall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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