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I think that conversation was one of their best book deviations so far. It was a great establishing character moment for Joff's successor (who's obviously going to differ a bit from that kid we saw on Cersei's lap back in S2) and both of them nailed it. It really captured the sort of person the new king is and Tywin's history lesson was entertaining. It admittedly felt bizarrely upbeat, but still... great scene. This Tommen has potential.


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I loved this conversation. Utterly masterful. Tywin was simultaneously giving decent advice and smoothly bringing Tommen under his total control, moulding him into the pliable, tractable, deferential puppet king he needs him to be.



I'm liking New Tommen so far, although admittedly there wasn't a lot to go off in one scene.



That bit about Tywin starting to give Tommen the Talk piqued my interest a bit. I'm very curious to see how they're going to deal with an aged-up Tommen marrying Margaery.


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Sentiments echoed..



And the more I think of it, if Tommen wasn't re-cast now you're just looking at dealing with 3 seasons of, however minor he'll be in the show, another kid aging very awkwardly.. at least the new actor, who looks to be 15 or so won't change much going forward.

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The conversation was excellent, but the way the casting of Tommen has been handled is awful. I bet some non-readers are thinking "when did Cersei find time between S03 E10 and S04 E02 to give birth to a 16 year old boy?".

Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome strikes again!

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Could Tywin had been in on the Joffery murder? No evidence but he is capable of it. He wants his puppets and Joffery was out of control.

i always had a hunch in the books that it was an "off the pages" deal with Lady Oleana. Both Tyrell and Lannister knew that Joff was a liabilty but Tommen was young enough to be groomed into a stable, efficient Monarch for Margeary.

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The conversation was excellent, but the way the casting of Tommen has been handled is awful. I bet some non-readers are thinking "when did Cersei find time between S03 E10 and S04 E02 to give birth to a 16 year old boy?".

Not sure that's so much a re-casting issue as it is a failure to follow exposition that, while subtle enough not to be corny (most of the time), could honestly be followed by a monkey if you were able to give it reference points.. i.e I'd guess that half of the show-watchers don't remember or never caught onto the fact that Cersei/Jaime had 2 other children to begin with.

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i always had a hunch in the books that it was an "off the pages" deal with Lady Oleana. Both Tyrell and Lannister knew that Joff was a liabilty but Tommen was young enough to be groomed into a stable, efficient Monarch for Margeary.

I kind of think Tywin knew the Tyrells were responsible, but he couldn't afford to antagonize them so he went with Tyrion as a scapegoat, and he actually benefited a lot from the whole thing

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Loved it. I don't think he was just being manipulative when he said Tommen had the right temperament for it. He knows he won't live forever, but he also knows Tommen's a kid and needs to learn how to rule. He never bothered to say anything that wasn't backhanded to Joffrey. I really, really liked that Tommen wasn't just spouting stuff but trying to thoughtfully answer, and "thought" his way to the more apt conclusion. Tommen's a puppet now. Under Cersei he'd be little more. Pity we know enough to have a headstart on the season's turn. Imma hoping Tommen gets more screentime, as much as I love the pint-sized arbitrator of beetly disputes.


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