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I don't understand Oberyn's problem with Tywin when Cersei daughter wedded in Dorn. Shouldn't they be allied by now? This is an inconsistent plot.

1. Oberyn blames Tywin for Elia and her children's deaths because the Mountain was supposedly following Tywin's orders when he killed them.

2. Myrcella isn't married yet (too young), and until then the betrothal could be broken.

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- Oh and the lack of reaction when hundreds of arrows were flying in Daenerys's direction. Like "Step back, Khaleesi!" or something?

Got the impression that was Meereen's 'shot across the bow' type of thing.

Either that or someone had calculated , seeing the bows they had what their range was.

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I don't understand the hatred over Aiden Gillen's accent for Littlefinger.



Petyr Baelish is the great-grandson of a poor immigrant from Braavos. He grew up on the Fingers, a spit of rocky coastal land that is known to be remote and harsh. His family's holdings are on the smallest of the Fingers. Despite being a Lord, his origins makes every Lord and Lady look down upon him as if he was some yokel. Much like how the English have traditionally seen the Irish as beneath them.



I concocted in my head that Baelish puts on a posh accent to impress nobility.


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I have to admit I was a bit disappointed with the episode. Here are the things I didn't like


- The Jaime/Cersei scene should have not been depicted as rape


- Not a big fan of the Arya/Hound scenes. I just don't get the feeling of emptiness from Show!Arya which is very important in the books. In addition, it seemed totally out of character for Sandor to be breaking guest right


- Sam/Gilly : BOOORRING and unneccessary. Would have prefered a longer Jon scene. Does he actually know what happened to Winterfell? In the books he learns about Robb and and Winterfell at the same time


- whitewashing of Tyrion: why the hell does he care so much about Podrick? In the books Pod tells BrienneTyrion left him behind


- Oberyn and Stannis could benefit from some better writing. I never got the impression that Stannis relied so much on the Red God or that he really believed any of that nonsense


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- Cersei/Jaime sex just didn't make the same impact as it did in the books

- Davos/Shireen filler... Davos is really not that interesting... and I seriously doubt this will make viewers remember the Iron Bank of Braavos

- Gilly filler... Yes, thank you for elaborating, Samwell, you worry about Gilly, we understand.

- Wall scene... the Wall just lost its S01 atmosphere

- Wildling assault. Ehh... I can't put my finger on why it was meh and wtf

- Hound/Arya scene way too bloody long again

- Oh and the lack of reaction when hundreds of arrows were flying in Daenerys's direction. Like "Step back, Khaleesi!" or something?

So I take it you didn't like this episode?

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The Jaime/Cersei scene was poorly done.

Every scene with Daenerys ends up being tedious. The writing and dialogue of people asking to be her champion is terrible. I'm a massive fan of the show and think most of the writing is great, but it's terrible and tedious in all of her scenes.

Totally disagree.

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A minor gritch.

Preview trailer for Season 4 episode 4.

On the wall at Meereen, KILL THE MASTERS is written in English.

We have seen some written Valyrian.

Would not bother me at all if that had of been written in HV with an English subtitle.

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Got the impression that was Meereen's 'shot across the bow' type of thing.

Either that or someone had calculated , seeing the bows they had what their range was.

Makes sense, though still a little odd to me.

So I take it you didn't like this episode?

No, it was alright. Rather meh. But I wouldn't say I didn't like it.

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So much wrong with this episode.


Jaime turned into a rapist.


Thenns running around with axes which look like cheap decoration from a gothic store.


Thenns being ridiculously hammy cannibals. Guess the whole House Thenn thing isn't going to make it in the show.


Littlefinger just can't act.


Every Essos scene just feels like the laugh track is missing. Everyone just stands around awkwardly and spout their lines.


Hound being a thief.


More stupid Oberyn brothel scenes.


Show Stannis.


Sam and Gilly wasting everyone's time.

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Sigh... another pompous valyrian speech. I personally hate those. Would have been so much better if Daenerys had just raised one of her creepy pitch-black eyebrows and said something like "give them my message". I mean it's pretty obvious.

And the way her voice carries far and wide. No one should be able to hear a thing. They would be like "hey what's she saying? Something about whales?"

Got me thinking of the first scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian. "Blessed are the cheesemakers?"

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I don't understand the hatred over Aiden Gillen's accent for Littlefinger.

Petyr Baelish is the great-grandson of a poor immigrant from Braavos. He grew up on the Fingers, a spit of rocky coastal land that is known to be remote and harsh. His family's holdings are on the smallest of the Fingers. Despite being a Lord, his origins makes every Lord and Lady look down upon him as if he was some yokel. Much like how the English have traditionally seen the Irish as beneath them.

I concocted in my head that Baelish puts on a posh accent to impress nobility.

The thing with accents is, the characters aren't from our world. How do we know what a Vale accent sounds like? I quite like the idea that Littlefinger's putting on airs and graces to impress the King's Landing crew, but removed from that world he reverts to what he really is. Of course, it's more likely that Aiden Gillen's just not bothering with the accent anymore but it doesn't bother me at all.

Things which did bother me:

- Is Olyvar the male Ros? Do they only have one boy whore in the whole of King's Landing?

- Sam & Gilly's scene would've been better if it was shorter. It wasn't bad, really (except the whore questioning Gilly, who seemed to be channeling Osha's weird sideways-neck-twitch) but...I just think there were other things they could have spent more time on.

- Not a fan of Missandei's actress. She's very wooden and one-note, imo.

- Not even going to go there with the horribly rapey sept-sex scene, except to say that they managed to make it even squickier than the books.

- Did not like Tyrion, saviour of Pod. I've been a fan of Tyrion, for the most part, but it just seemed pretty out of character to me.

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The brothel / sex scenes are becoming such a joke. They just show a placard half way through each episode saying “and now we have the soft porn section”. Also Oberyn looked like he was wearing a Hawaiian Shirt and Chinos while he was lying on the bed chatting to Tywin.



Cannibalism….why? Apart from shock value.



Meanwhile in next week’s episode St Tyrion will become the bird man of KL caring for injured animals that flock to his cell to be cared for by him. His gift of healing will spread and the poor will gather outside his cell to hear his calming voice.

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I don't understand the hatred over Aiden Gillen's accent for Littlefinger.

Petyr Baelish is the great-grandson of a poor immigrant from Braavos. He grew up on the Fingers, a spit of rocky coastal land that is known to be remote and harsh. His family's holdings are on the smallest of the Fingers. Despite being a Lord, his origins makes every Lord and Lady look down upon him as if he was some yokel. Much like how the English have traditionally seen the Irish as beneath them.

I concocted in my head that Baelish puts on a posh accent to impress nobility.

Sansa is a high noble and he certainly want to impress her, so I don't think that's it.

St Tyrion is really getting on my nerves. The way this scene was shot was cringe worthy. Could they be any more blatant in making absolutely sure everyone sees what a noble hero he is?

John's plan with regards to Mance is nonsensical. 100 or 1000, Mance needs to attack, what else is he supposed to do? Plus he should have a general idea of the number of NW men, especially given that he used to be one before. Why would Mance believe anything Jon had told him after he betrayed him anyway?

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St Tyrion is really getting on my nerves. The way this scene was shot was cringe worthy. Could they be any more blatant in making absolutely sure everyone sees what a noble hero he is?

I think they are going to shoot themselves in the foot as for unsullied viewers St Tyrion strangling Shae is going to come across as a "Jump the Shark" moment. Unless of course they make Shae the only witness to come forward at the trial and make sure that it is only her testimony that has Tyrion sentenced to death, whilst humiliating him of course.

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I have to admit I was a bit disappointed with the episode. Here are the things I didn't like

- The Jaime/Cersei scene should have not been depicted as rape

- Not a big fan of the Arya/Hound scenes. I just don't get the feeling of emptiness from Show!Arya which is very important in the books. In addition, it seemed totally out of character for Sandor to be breaking guest right

- Sam/Gilly : BOOORRING and unneccessary. Would have prefered a longer Jon scene. Does he actually know what happened to Winterfell? In the books he learns about Robb and and Winterfell at the same time

- whitewashing of Tyrion: why the hell does he care so much about Podrick? In the books Pod tells BrienneTyrion left him behind

- Oberyn and Stannis could benefit from some better writing. I never got the impression that Stannis relied so much on the Red God or that he really believed any of that nonsense

Initially I like how they're showing Arya still has a good heart and the humour between her and the Hound is enjoyable. However, I do agree with you on this one- with Arya and Jon. I feel as if she has her moments (when she murders) but then she just seems to shrug the whole thing away.

I need more Stark Grief! Their situation is heart-breaking- home in ruins, power and armies gone, father beheaded, brother and mother disgustingly brutalised....You can't just shrug that all away. Arya during the RW and Season 3 finale showed her grief well and Sansa during the first two episodes of this season....however, Jon? Nope, not even a sense of him feeling heart-broken, angry or even numb about the whole thing. I will be sincerely disappointed if we don't get more acknowledgement/grief from Jon regarding the Stark's situation, especially if he shows anger over Mormont being killed (when he deals with the mutineers) and Ygritte dying but not his family. They nailed the love he has for them in season 1 ( 'I may be a Bastard but Robb is my brother, I should be with him')

I know in the books we don't see Jon find out about the RW but he does acknowledge it and show grief at certain points ( Ghost reunion- "I thought you had left me like Robb and Ygritte"). Jon being unable to do anything for his wronged family (facing the reality of his vows) is a huge part of his character development and leads to his response to the Pink letter. However, the show turned 'Robb is dead' into 'aww, poor Jon, always second best' and not 'aww, poor Jon, his family is in ruins'

...Robb was his brother, not just his rival! However, Jon didn't seem to give two hoots. What happened to that 'when I woke up the world had fallen apart' quote?

Sorry, rant over! I just wish the show would establish the closeness of the Stark family (which makes them so lovable and tragic) more since we don't get to hear their thoughts and bittersweet memories. They really did a fantastic job with it in Season 1 but I feel as if it's slipped, especially establishing Jon and Robb as brothers...the Will scene etc.

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I think they are going to shoot themselves in the foot as for unsullied viewers St Tyrion strangling Shae is going to come across as a "Jump the Shark" moment. Unless of course they make Shae the only witness to come forward at the trial and make sure that it is only her testimony that has Tyrion sentenced to death, whilst humiliating him of course.

I agree. It's going to be similar to Jamie raping Cersei. They made Shae SO NICE that no amount of false testimony is going to counteract the past seasons of her being goody goody. If Tyrion kills her it will be "GOT is trying too hard to shock people" because they have totally fucked that storyline up.

Or, they'll have Tywin do it, and then St. Tyrion will remain, unblemished in his glorious white hat.

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